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Dealing with difficult 70 yo DM with MH and health issues

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RomanRoysSearchHistory · 10/06/2023 12:48

Apologies for how long this will be but i'm at my wits end and there's backstory. Partially venting, but also could do with any advice.

I'm mid 40's and have never mastered the art of dealing with a very tricky, selfish, extraordinarily stubborn DM.

Our relationship has had it's ups and downs, often quite strained. She is very judgemental, condescending & off-the-charts selfish in terms of her behaviour. There's no empathy and an inability to apologise to anybody.

It's a complex history; Neglect of myself and DB as children, her ongoing anxiety/depression since 1980, and 33 years of emotional abuse by our DF until their divorce 17 years ago. She's been single since.

She's very religious and once had me sent away (as a slightly wayward teenager) to a cultish type place behind my dad's back, to "fix me". Over the years she's made noises about DS being born out of wedlock and also the devil being out to get her..

After my parents divorce, DM disappeared into a cultish fundamental Christian "church" and DB, DS and I barely saw her for 5+ years- their doctrine was that family come way down the line, after god and church.

She hasn't been as "churchy" for the last decade, sporadically attending a Methodist and seemed so much better, but has quite recently found her way back into a fringe fundamental place I think..

I have historically needed to keep my mouth shut if I was ever upset by her behaviour- if I ever raised anything at all, I was then punished by her silence and withdrawal for months, or even years sometimes. So I stopped raising thing's a long time ago, as I didn't want to risk losing her again for the sake of DS as he doesn't have a lot of family around and she's relatively normal with him.

I've always made the effort to smooth things over and keep the peace- honestly feel that if I hadn't, we would never have had any contact for 20 years as she wouldn't have made the effort.

I've had her to stay with us many many times. I've arranged every Christmas, every single family birthday meal for her & DB 42, taken her for days out, lovely 5* afternoon teas etc (met with criticism from start to finish) booked lovely birthday trips away for her (the most recent one has just been cancelled by her).

She's never in my life done anything similar for me that I can remember, nor arranged so much as a birthday meal for me. Lucky if I get a present, but do think that's more about her finances.

The last few months she's been getting increasingly difficult and displaying some extraordinary disloyalty and ethically questionable behaviour, which I won't go into as it's potentially outing.

She has a particular blood disorder, which requires regular treatment but she hasn't been for it since pre-COVID and I feel that's affecting her in many ways.

It's definitely starting to drastically impact her physical health, memory and in turn, her mental health. I had to really badger her to have bloods tests earlier this year, which she eventually did, but then refused to tell me the results other than to say they were high. Which is her right of course, but I do know she still hasn't had the treatment required to reduce the issue and prevent further damage to her organs.

She emailed me two weeks ago to say she'd relented, had spoken with the GP who had arranged a "long list of tests". I've since (day before yesterday) asked how she got on, but once again I'm being completely ignored. If there was no issue she would definitely have said so.

I'm not going to keep asking, but I just feel like she's constantly hot and cold, push pulling me, and I'm so frustrated, upset and really quite concerned.
I'd rather she hadn't said she was being sent for tests if she was then going to clam up and leave us hanging. She's gone quiet on DB too, although finally replied to a text this morning literally saying she's ok, but nothing else.

At this point I'm starting to feel like there's nothing else I can do for her, or our relationship. My patience is at its end and I'm ready to throw in the towel.

But she's 70, alone, and I can't just give up on her, can I... wwyd??

OP posts:
TheShellBeach · 10/06/2023 12:56

You seen to have spent many years trying to keep a relationship going, and for what?
It seems terribly hard work and extremely one sided.

How would you feel about just going No Contact with her?

I did the same with my sisters three years ago and it's been wonderful.

I occasionally think about them but not with any regret.

Cutting toxic people out of your life is very liberating.

Beamur · 10/06/2023 13:02

Pop over to the Stately Homes threads.
You're a kind person and very giving of yourself to someone who really doesn't value or appreciate it.
Take a step back.
She's actually quite capable of going to the doctor when it suits her and is dangling partial information to keep you fishing.
Don't keep asking. I suspect going low contact would be good for you..

tsmainsqueeze · 10/06/2023 13:07

That sounds like a really stressful situation.
I have very little sympathy for a parent who has treated her children badly , you may be an adult but you are continuing to reap what she has sown.
Clearly whatever you have done or continue to do for her is not received gratefully and causes you to feel hurt.
She is a very silly woman to behave like this especially now that she is entering old age when she could have her family's love and support .
I think if this were me i would back off , don't arrange any more trips or meals , regarding her medical issues she's an adult and can do whatever she chooses but i would certainly be making her aware that when her choices are detrimental to her health that she cannot expect any support from you.
She is not going to change now and she has no right to spoil your life any further with her behaviour , this time is yours now , to do as you please .
It sounds like she may actually be enjoying the drama and worry she is causing you by keeping her medical issues private.
I hope you find a way to detach from her because it really is selfish and unfair of her to impact you and your family in such a negative way.

beachcomber70 · 10/06/2023 13:22

You're doing far too much for her. She won't change. She is manipulating you and enjoying it. Maybe it's a power trip, or mind games or resentment or punishment or competition I don't know. You will not get the result you want from her.

Put your energy into yourself, your family, your life. Communicate on your terms if you want, but detach. Respond if she is civil but not over the top and don't be a martyr for her. If she enjoys being secretive that's up to her, just ignore it until she can communicate like an adult.

Her life, her health, her happiness, her history, her marriage is not your responsibility and you can't change anything. Your mental health is going to suffer if you carry on chasing someone who hasn't really engaged with you and your feelings and needs.
Have some counselling.

PermanentTemporary · 10/06/2023 13:31

I'm not sure what you mean by giving up on her... but if you mean stop trying so hard, that seems completely reasonable.

I wouldn't personally stop all contact but I'm lucky enough not to have anyone this difficult in my life.

What would something less distressing look like? A weekly call and occasional text? Staying superficial in conversation? This is roughly what I did with my dad. I can't really say that it was ok - he was much nicer to me than your mum is or was to you, but was also a chaotic and troubled person and I just found more contact than that extremely difficult. I just stopped asking any questions at all or having any expectations, we mostly discussed politics and his bridge hands. It was sort of all right. I was hugely relieved when he died and haven't felt any sadness.

Maybe try this sort of level and see how it goes?

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 10/06/2023 13:43

Other people will have good advice and all I can say is you're setting yourself on fire to keep her warm and you have the patience of a saint.

If she's not going for treatment for a blood disorder (is it blood cancer? I have one and get checked up every three months) then she's an idiot and it won't end well.

TonTonMacoute · 10/06/2023 14:52

It’s very easy to say ‘just leave her’ but it is still your mum at the end of the day, and you are a much better person than her. But, my god it will squeeze the last living juices out of you if you carry on like this OP!

I would ask for this thread to be moved to the Elderly Parents forum. We had a similar situation and the help there was invaluable.

TheShellBeach · 10/06/2023 15:35

TonTonMacoute · 10/06/2023 14:52

It’s very easy to say ‘just leave her’ but it is still your mum at the end of the day, and you are a much better person than her. But, my god it will squeeze the last living juices out of you if you carry on like this OP!

I would ask for this thread to be moved to the Elderly Parents forum. We had a similar situation and the help there was invaluable.

That is a good idea, OP.
Notwithstanding that I myself suggested your going NC with her, that may be a step too far for you, so apologies if my comment wasn't helpful.
Do get this moved to Elderly Parents. Your situation is well known there.

Startyabastard · 10/06/2023 15:58

I have a mother similar in alot of ways.
You wouldn't be giving up on her even though I do know how you feel.
Remember: any relationship needs involvement from both parties and she is obviously very hard work.
I know you haven't asked for this but I highly recommend the books by Peg Streep. She herself has had a dysfunctional mother and because the way the world perceives mothers, many people won't understand.
You are doing your absolute best and everyone has their tolerances and energy levels, give yourself some credit.

RomanRoysSearchHistory · 10/06/2023 17:47

I'm absolutely blown away by all the lovely considered and insightful responses here, thank you all so much for taking the time to reply. I'm emotionally exhausted with it and had thought I might get flamed so I'm relieved and you've all been so kind and given me lots of food for thought.

I will request this thread is moved to Elderly Parents, wasn't sure where best to post but yes, that makes sense thank you.

Just to address a couple of points raised - I do feel as those I'm being manipulated/controlled, albeit in a very hands-off, covert way. I also had wondered whether there's an element of attention-seeking & mind-games to facilitate that control (whether she is aware of what she's doing I'm unsure) but up to now I haven't particularly wanted to let my mind go there, so I appreciate the validation.

I also agree that counselling might be required, because with regards to going NC with DM, I had to do that years ago with DF and it's something I've always struggled with, in terms of missing having a father. I sometimes feel that as the remaining parent in mine and DB's life, DM feels she can behave however she likes, because she's the only one left, as such and we won't go NC with her because then we'd have neither one.

So believe it or not, DM is in fact the much more balanced and kind parent & I know too well the sadnesses that lies around going NC for the sake of your physical and mental health. I suppose that's why I've gone to such lengths to maintain our relationship, to try and avoid the same feelings of grief and loss with her.

Setting myself on fire to keep her warm is exactly to a tee what I've been doing, and I do agree that very low contact is going to have to be the way forward in this case, as it is impacting my MH now for sure.

Thank you also for the book recommendation and all your helpful advice. I'm very sorry to read that other posters have gone through similar. It's really tough, and you all have my sympathy x

OP posts:
RomanRoysSearchHistory · 10/06/2023 17:51

@mumsnet please could you move this thread to Elderly Parents? Many thanks.

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Bluebells1970 · 10/06/2023 17:57

I'm fairly LC with my Mum. My sister is the golden child, and Mum is very weak where she's concerned. They work together (Mum's business but she's handed 50% to my sister). They go for lunch, coffees, shopping, days out. They even go on holiday together. Last time was over my 50th birthday Hmm I can't tell you the last time that I went out with Mum, as last time we did I treated her to afternoon tea with my DD's in a very expensive hotel, and Mum deleted the photos that they put on SM as it apparently upset my sister ..... I've spent years upset, raging, asking myself why but to be honest, minimising contact with both of them was the best thing that I could ever have done. If Mum offers to come over, she's always welcomed but it's rare because she's too busy with my sister.

I prioritise my own family now. And it's a lot better for my mental health.

mirages08 · 10/06/2023 17:58

Get yourself over to the stately homes thread op

TheShellBeach · 10/06/2023 18:25

OP to get this moved, you have to report your own OP and ask them to move it to Elderly Parents.

plumish · 11/06/2023 06:48

I am nc with my mum. I don't really understand the thought process of 'but it's your mum' some one who is this toxic to you is not a mum in the way that people are thinking when they say this. Usually this comes from people with more standard relationships with their mums.

My mum was very cruel, lacked empathy and never ever admitted to being in the wrong. Despite my mum having a fairly good relationship with my dc, I felt I could not show them me being walked all over, disrespected and hurt, was acceptable.

I did try to warn my mum I couldn't take her behaviour any more.

4 years nc now and I'm so much better for it. I feel free from the trap of her abuse. Perhaps you could try counselling if you have to unwind you've been so abused you feel you owe her something. You don't.

hattie43 · 11/06/2023 07:31

She's toxic . Leave her to it and concentrate on your own life .
I don't get this guilt trip / duty stuff of adult children looking after the most awful parents . Why should you , they didn't provide a good childhood when you needed care why ruin your own life plans to provide care when they need it . Reap what you sow etc

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