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What jobs & university courses should kids aim for to protect employment from Artifical Ingelligence?

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Suncreamweather · 03/06/2023 16:54

Following on from the Artificial Intelligence thread.. What careers & university courses will still still be necessary for humans to carry out?

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Beezknees · 03/06/2023 17:31

10speckledfrogs · 03/06/2023 17:25

Yup UBI and then the potential to earn extra by working is how it is meant to go

UBI basically replaces all current benefits (including unemployment, child benefit, and top up benefits that many already in work currently get) so everyone has the same basis to start off with. Some may use it to start businesses, others will seek employment and work always earns you extra - so no issue where some are better off on benefits or working limited hours.

In many ways UBI makes a hell of a lot of sense

So I guess in a way it kind of exists anyway with Universal Credit, except presumably with UBI you'd get to keep all of it rather than it taper away the more you earn?

10speckledfrogs · 03/06/2023 17:35

Beezknees · 03/06/2023 17:31

So I guess in a way it kind of exists anyway with Universal Credit, except presumably with UBI you'd get to keep all of it rather than it taper away the more you earn?

Exactly. So a guarantee of say £700 (just example) a month for every person which everyone receives regardless of circumstances or other income - if you wish to earn more you still keep that money but also earn your wages on top. It doesn't reduce no matter how high your earnings are.

Trails do seem to suggest it encourages higher self esteem, better health, and increased employment levels

illiterato · 03/06/2023 17:36

I would actually rather be cared for by a robot than a person as I think it would be more dignified. The robot wouldn’t be thinking “ Jesus, if I have to wipe one more 90 year old arse I’m going to get a job on the bins”.

Flippersmum · 03/06/2023 17:40

10speckledfrogs · 03/06/2023 17:35

Exactly. So a guarantee of say £700 (just example) a month for every person which everyone receives regardless of circumstances or other income - if you wish to earn more you still keep that money but also earn your wages on top. It doesn't reduce no matter how high your earnings are.

Trails do seem to suggest it encourages higher self esteem, better health, and increased employment levels

Would there be top ups for disabled people who are unable to work? Or would they just be the poorest in society?

Amboseli · 03/06/2023 17:40

If nobody is working and paying taxes how will UBI be funded?

Beezknees · 03/06/2023 17:42

10speckledfrogs · 03/06/2023 17:35

Exactly. So a guarantee of say £700 (just example) a month for every person which everyone receives regardless of circumstances or other income - if you wish to earn more you still keep that money but also earn your wages on top. It doesn't reduce no matter how high your earnings are.

Trails do seem to suggest it encourages higher self esteem, better health, and increased employment levels

I see. It would be difficult for older people though who can't afford to retrain. I work in admin and there's no way I could go to university now!

Wouldn't it create a massive divide though? I mean I can see it working now while there are plenty of jobs but if there are only a handful of jobs available it could cause resentment. I'd probably want to work for the extra money but if there's no jobs that I could do how could I?

LostFrog · 03/06/2023 17:48

I genuinely think that we would have a far worse mental health crisis on our hands if people didn’t have meaningful work to go to. People need to feel useful. They also need to be inconvenienced to have resilience, if that makes sense. It would br lovely to think we would all develop interesting hobbies and go out volunteering if we didn’t have to work, but most people wouldn’t. Anyway, I’m not sure the answer to your question OP but trades like plumbing, electricians maybe? Law?

hoven · 03/06/2023 17:56

It's better done by a robot as there is no human error

Amboseli · 03/06/2023 18:01

@LostFrog definitely not law, AI is already being used and is only going to get more and more sophisticated and take over many legal jobs.

I'd say the trades, electricians, plumbers, gardeners.

Everyone is going to be affected and sooner than we think.

Unexpecteddrivinginstructor · 03/06/2023 18:04

I can see social mobility stalling. How will people build sufficient income to change from where they were born in society? I can't imagine the richest in society easily giving up their inherited wealth. There will be enough to get by but how will they live. On the other side though there will be more leisure time. Maybe there will be more people just working 20 hours a week.

I think areas which favour human interaction such as counseling will be needed soon. Areas requiring precision will be easier to replace with a robot.

Tottenhamsucktoday · 03/06/2023 18:04

Architectural stuff. I've already seen costly mistakes that have occurred due to software now having "auto" options...

You want your steel frame to fit? Use people and not automated software (witnessed this epic fail!).

You want to ensure there's no mine shafts under your garden? Use a human. Auto scanners missed one recently and it caused horrendous structural damage.

You want to ensure that your drawings are correct for Planning? Use a human. Some aspects of surveying software is now automated and its confusing paintings for windows and mistaking mirrors for doorways.

You want to ensure the house your buying has straight walls? Use a human, not an auto scanner!

All of these things are costly and waste a shit load of time. Especially if your project has a tight budget or is a heritage build - there's no room for error.

TrueScrumptious · 03/06/2023 18:05

Performing arts.
Though there is a completely AI girl band from Korea.

hoven · 03/06/2023 18:07

Tottenhamsucktoday · 03/06/2023 18:04

Architectural stuff. I've already seen costly mistakes that have occurred due to software now having "auto" options...

You want your steel frame to fit? Use people and not automated software (witnessed this epic fail!).

You want to ensure there's no mine shafts under your garden? Use a human. Auto scanners missed one recently and it caused horrendous structural damage.

You want to ensure that your drawings are correct for Planning? Use a human. Some aspects of surveying software is now automated and its confusing paintings for windows and mistaking mirrors for doorways.

You want to ensure the house your buying has straight walls? Use a human, not an auto scanner!

All of these things are costly and waste a shit load of time. Especially if your project has a tight budget or is a heritage build - there's no room for error.

The thing with ai is that it easily adapt to "learn" these things better than humans

Beezknees · 03/06/2023 18:07

Those of you with young kids, how do you feel about robots doing childcare? I'm past that stage now as my DC is older but what a weird concept!

stbrandonsboat · 03/06/2023 18:11

WheelsUp · 03/06/2023 17:14

This is a video of a robot designed to transfer patients from 11 years ago.

Um, people are never that cooperative. They also have physical problems including pain, vulnerable areas, limb contractions, missing limbs, surgical wounds, dementia, mental impairments, aggression, fear and lack of cooperation.

stbrandonsboat · 03/06/2023 18:12

Some of my little old seven stone wringing wet ladies would have kicked that robot into next week 😂

kitsuneghost · 03/06/2023 18:18

Flippersmum · 03/06/2023 17:40

Would there be top ups for disabled people who are unable to work? Or would they just be the poorest in society?

I guess they wouldn't because the whole idea is everyone gets the same. You can't really do that then say ah but you can get a bit more and actually you can get a bit more too, oops we spent too much, you work so I'm gonna take it back off you.

You just end up back where we started,

lavenderlou · 03/06/2023 18:20

Jobs fixing the robots when they go wrong?

stbrandonsboat · 03/06/2023 18:20

No way will the powers that be pay for UBI. They'll want to maximise profits so they can buy their luxury yachts, planes and designer goods. They'll just make it impossible for anyone to make enough money to live, let alone have children. Those who do have children will have to be prepared for them to live a life of extreme poverty, be enslaved by the rich to do the jobs robots can't do or be made into fertiliser. Our children will not be languishing on UBI, attending university for fun or learning the electric guitar/gardening/knitting/making scale models out of plastic blocks. It's basically the end of the human race, apart from the very rich who will just go to parties every day whilst wearing next to no clothing.

stbrandonsboat · 03/06/2023 18:23

Actually, the rich will keep some people as slaves which they'll use to entertain themselves a la Hostel/Hunger Games/Roman Gladiators.

We'll be begging to be made into fertiliser by this point.

Suncreamweather · 03/06/2023 18:25

Chocchops72 · 03/06/2023 17:13

Someone asked Sam Altman, CEO of Open AI, exactly this question on a podcast interview I listened to. He didn’t have any answers or advice for high school leavers, his best response was to say that Universal Basic Income has to be implemented as AI is going to remove millions of jobs from the market.

This is petrifying. How can we future proof our kids?
Amazing social skills will obviously be hugely important in the future.. Where does that leave the many kids who are neurodiverse?

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Hermione101 · 03/06/2023 18:26

Read an interesting article in the Wall Street Journal saying AI, could be the start of a blue collar “revolution” with people forgoing university to take up more trades and hands on work.

I guess client facing jobs, corporate sales, journalism (FT recently made a statement saying they will not Use AI in its journalism) and anything that requires human emotional intelligence. Entrepreneurship.

It will make a number of jobs obsolete, but it will create other jobs too. Humans are incredible at adapting.

stbrandonsboat · 03/06/2023 18:30

Suncreamweather · 03/06/2023 18:25

This is petrifying. How can we future proof our kids?
Amazing social skills will obviously be hugely important in the future.. Where does that leave the many kids who are neurodiverse?

There's nothing much we can do. Both my kids are ND, there's no room in society now for ND people. They'll probably sponsor people to become pets for the rich, so like applying for a job, but to be utilised however they wish. Some people prefer to have ND people around, so they might be chosen.

I've warned my adult children about having children and that it's simply not worth the risk now. The world is too changeable and insecure.

BCCoach · 03/06/2023 18:31

UBI in addition to replacing all benefits and state pensions etc (except possibly disability benefits) would replace all tax allowances. So everyone who has been resident in the U.K. for at least 18 years gets a UBI of say £12k, tax free. Anything you earn (including unearned income) above that would then be taxed at a flat rate. It’s in theory a very simple system that is very hard to evade and dodge around and should be much cheaper to administer. Unfortunately there will likely be a lot of losers (those who are currently highly reliant on benefits and those who are highly reliant on tax exemptions of various kinds) which would make implementation hugely unpopular.

2bazookas · 03/06/2023 18:32

Beezknees · 03/06/2023 17:04

Surgeons, vets? I can't imagine something as delicate as surgery being carried out by robots. Could be wrong though but there's no way I'd want a robot operating on me personally.

Someone who is end of life isn't going to want to hold a robot's hand as opposed to a warm, living human one.

But someone lonely, frail and unable to communicate, might enjoy the soft furry touch of a robotic cat lying on their bed. under their hand, and purring /speaking in a lovely soothing voice.

Or, nursing a robotic "newborn baby".

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