What will be the next thing that everyone goes through together?

[travelingtortoise]

I was just looking through my journals from 2020 and thinking about how I'd never experienced something like COVID where absolutely everyone was affected in some way by it.

Of course there are loads of political / social events that impact large swathes of society, but that clear, defined period of lockdowns, government updates, and everyone thinking/talking about the same topic because every single household was impacted was totally new (to me at least).

It got me wondering - is that going to be a once-in-a-lifetime experience? Or might there be other events that have the same reach? And if so, what might they be?

Not asking this to be a downer, by the way – I know it's unlikely to be anything very positive, and I wouldn't wish a repeat on anyone, but there was something really quite remarkable about it.

🤣 I think @SmurfHaribos has seen it a little too often 🤦‍♀️

"The future is not set in stone, and we can make our own destiny.'

Whilst your comment just illustrates how ridiculous you sound! No idea what a Tamagotchi is and if it was 25 years ago it hasn't been very successful! Bet you don't have animals? I've got dogs and horses, the idea that anything AI could possibly replace them is just absurd.

I've got 4 very techi people in my house, believe you me, I understand how our lives are going to radically change, AI pets ain't one of them...

AI pets is most definitely happening, apartment dwelling hello kitty types at first, but will be available in many forms. Owning animals will be seen as cruel servitude and will be frowned upon. Breeding of animals for human pleasure will be restricted.

It's already a thing in high density placed, like Japanese cities.

@ Anarcho

Oxford is a plan which is already outdated and literally decades behind where society is heading.

The jobs which can't be done from home are very few.

Manufacturing will be automated.

If your job involves any sort of admin processes, you'll be unemployed by 2030.

All legal, medical diagnosis, financial auditing, planning, design, administration, buying, selling, all those jobs will dissappear in the next five to ten years. That's the scale of what's coming.

Oxford Council won't even have the zone signs put up before the whole concept of their 15 minute city is made redundant.

The "problems" which created the need for the 15 minute city won't exist. Therefore the need for a 15 minute city won't exist. Therefore 15 minute cities won't exist.

Again, you need to stop thinking in terms of "current" need.

Imagine city planners back in 1910, all convinced that horses cause too much muck on the streets and something had to be done to stop people having the walk through the piles of horse shit everywhere. So they came up with a complicated system of 15 minute journeys, people no longer needed to use a horse to pull a carriage, they could walk or cycle instead. That would reduce the number of horses and therefore reduce the amount of horse shit.

Meanwhile, they had no idea the Model T was about the roll off the production line.

See what I mean about 15 minute cities. You're thinking about 40 year old solutions to problems which won't exist in a few years.

1940 Dr Walters invented the first robotic animal - robotic animals in various forms have been around quite some time.

With Deep Neural Learning those and 'skin' that can feel, more advances are likely (obviously only in research states ATM but give it time!)

(I'm a Computer Science Student currently studying a robotics module that is pretty awesome!)

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The fact that you don't know what a Tamagotchi is just proves my point. At the time, everyone wanted one, when a cute little droid, which can literally converse with you, and needs no care, is available. Trust me, people will have them.

Why have a dog that barks, when "iDog" can talk?

It’s a novelty craze like the Tamagotchi was. It is in no way replacing conventional pets.
My brother lives in Japan and when he was in the city he had a cat, then he moved out to the country and got goats. None of the animal lovers he meets through his goats (they have goat meet ups!) are going to be moving over to the AI version any time soon.

Everyone wanted one?? What a load of rubbish, I didn't, I've got plenty of friends who have and had 'real' animals 25 years ago. Of course lots of people probably did but why haven't there been loads more things like that since if it was so successful?

There will absolutely be a version of universal income, because we won't be able to replace the jobs lost to technology

If jobs are lost and people aren't working where's the tax income coming from to pay UI? there's only so many times you can 'tax the rich' or impose 'windfall taxes' surely?

Because the iDog isn’t actually a dog.

I think covid was a once in a life time event that people can relate to globally (in Western countries anyway), as we were all affected. Nothing else is comparable

Because the AI technology didn't exist to give it utility. That has now changed.

Universal Income won't come from tax.

Money is a system we created, it's just a theory, like religion or politics or law.

Universal Income will be separate from the tax system. It will be money created out of nothing (all money is created out of nothing) and paid directly to people. The tax system will apply once the money is "paid" to them.

Essentially there will be a literally endless pot of UI money, which doesn't exist within the banking system, it is created out of nothing, with no debt attached to it like current FIAT monetary systems.

tellme AI makes me dead twitchy. Maybe T2 was just 30 years out.....
When even the developers are worried then we really need to get our act together.

Do you have animals? You clearly have no comprehension of the bond that exists between animals and humans that has existed for thousands of years, it's not about to disappear just because the technology exists to facilitate that

Do agree with this

Pets aren’t about utility. They’re about the eternal human need for connection with other living things.

It will be money created out of nothing (all money is created out of nothing)

The tenner in my purse looks pretty real. Does this mean it's a cashless system and physical money won't exist?

The tax system will apply once the money is "paid" to them

Which means what, exactly? saying it will be "paid" implies the opposite; that people won't actually be getting anything. I mean, I'm paid my SP. If I feel so inclined I can go to the ATM and withdraw the whole lot in cash and my bank account shows the money in and then out.

Like the "bond" between teenagers and their phones?

Like the "bond" between teenagers and their phones?

Absolutely nothing like that.

Tamagotchis were a fad, they were popular for 5 minutes (I was in primary school for that and I remember having one) and then they vanished.

15 minute cities are a different concept from travelling. 15 minute cities are a concept developed by a French chap (hadn't realised he done this back in the 1970s) its about having everything you need within a 15 minute walk or cycle from home. Ghent has already adopted this and its meant that traffic flow has increased and congestion reduced.

The tenner in your purse is just a piece of paper with some funny colours on it. You believe it's "worth" ten pounds, and the shop keeper believes it's worth ten pounds. But the piece of paper is just a piece of paper.

When you look at your online banking, do you believe you're broke because the number on the screen isn't "real" money?

Of course not, because you believe the electronic pixels displayed on your screen are "real" money.

If the tenner in your purse is "real", how can it also be "real" if its just a number on a screen? See what I mean?

You need to stop thinking of money as a real physical thing, it isn't.

"Money" is literally created out of nothing by someone typing numbers into a Central Bank computer. The Central Bank then loans that "money" to the Bank of England, who loan it out to your high street bank. The high street bank then loans that money to you.

So, Universal Income won't exist within the above system. It will be created in a separate system, which just "pays" people. As long as people believe the Universal Income money is "real", then the other separate FIAT monetary system which we are used to, can run as before.

Could we not skip those and go for 'slighly disappointing summer' or 'chocolate prices rise alarmingly' or 'lots of people have hayfever'?

Yup, definitely never had an animal have you ...