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£1800 for a school trip

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Patchw0rk · 25/05/2023 14:55

Is it just me, or what are the school thinking?!

DC desperately wants to go of course- all their friends are, of course 🙄and we could possibly afford it with a lot of hard work (on my part, overtime!) but we could take the whole family away for that.

DC is 13 so old enough to understand about money really but so wants to go. It's a week skiing in Canada. I want them to have brilliant life experiences but it's just so much money.

I just think school have lost the plot. Could they really not have come up with something more reasonable for a y9 trip?

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Sugarfree23 · 27/05/2023 11:08

£8000 that's wild, but I bet their are parents in a independent school who wouldn't bat an eyelid at the cost.

Squirrelsnut · 27/05/2023 11:11

I think that's the issue. DS has a big bursary. We'd struggle with £1800.

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AmyandPhilipfan · 27/05/2023 11:24

I have no interest in skiing myself so will never take my daughter on a skiing trip. So if she went to a school that offered it I would try to pay for it but she would know that it was so expensive that it would mean it would be her birthday and Christmas present for at least that year and possibly the next couple, as well as pocket money being reduced to help pay for it. If she was happy with that sacrifice I would gladly pay. If not, she wouldn't go.

INamechangedForThisMadness · 27/05/2023 11:33

A local state school here is running only local day trips and on site activities for their enrichment week this year since many families are struggling with the cost of living after having lockdowns affect their incomes.

They have had parents complaining that there weren't enough expensive residentials!

Schools can't win!

Patchw0rk · 27/05/2023 11:45

I've given it a lot of thought and I'm going to tell DC they can't go. I think I was being drawn in by so wanting them to have different life experiences to mine, but, I don't feel they understand enough how much money it actually is (and how much overtime I'd have to cram in).

It's for Y9 and Y10 so if DC is desperate it gives them a year to start saving, learning about money etc then we can see about going next year.

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missingeu · 27/05/2023 12:10

Our DD went a skiing trip in year 9 it was about £1200 4 years ago. She says it was one of most memorable experiences. I've never been skiing and know as a family we couldn't afford to all go. It was mad clear that birthday/christmas that year would be basic due skiing trip.

DS wasn't the least bit interested, he's definatley the cheaper child. LOL.

Whiteroomjoy · 27/05/2023 12:25

Crikeyalmighty · 25/05/2023 15:07

I think schools need to get a grip on reality - sounds to me it's what the accompanying teachers fancied

I really don't agree with any trips over£500 unless school are paying!

Yep, I agree. This is a teachers vanity project. They continue to get away with these absurdities because some parents do stomp up .kids that age put a lot of pressure on parents “everyone’s going”, “all my mates are going” etc and it’s hard for parents who could just about find the money to pay.
parents need to complain to governors. It’s excluding harder up parents, parents of multiple children, and is completely unnecessary as skiing is available closer to home as are glacial features if they try to pull a geograpghy benefit (just bloody go to Lake District)

when this happened we did 2 things.

First we talked privately to parents of his mates, to find out actually which of them was going before we even would consider it. Ha! Found out all bar one were not able to afford it easily, a few said outright that it was a no, and others were riddling themselves with guilt. , thus dispelling the “all my mates are going” to “all my mates want to go”

Secondly , we sat down with dc and explained this was the cost of a family holiday. They had siblings. Their siblings were going to have to go without a holiday to allow him to go. And when their turn came he’d have to do the same thing. And we explained that there would then be other trips they all had that we could not afford to do them all. So, did he really want to end all future family holidays for the rest of his life effectively, so that he and siblings could take it in turns to go on one big skiing or whatever holiday (it’s always bloody skiing or “volunteering “ in South Africa ). And did he really think it was fair on us as parents and his siblings to go without family holidays- were holidays every year not important to everyone in the family? We asked him to compare which was better option, on overall balance, for him to go to Canada and rest of family holidays impacted or for him and siblings to keep going to all the smaller, cheaper, uk/European based school trips plus a family holiday

he did get it. Wasn’t happy. But didn’t argue with us. Over the next 3-4weeks we got a drip feed of this mate or that mate “aren’t going either”. Most of them didn’t. It usually ends up as a small select wealthy group of kids .

of course, once we’d set precedent with him, all siblings didn’t bother discussing these stupid trips. They stuck with smaller trips and occasional reasonable extra curriculum stuff we did in sixth form to help them with future career

for what it’s worth, over 40 years ago, it happened to me. The school (state comp) started running skiing trips to Europe. Virtually unheard of then. Myself and sibs had always gone on most school trips. There was no way on gods earth my parents could afford it - we didn’t go abroad at all like a lot of families, and rarely had holidays at all. It caused a lot of bad feeling between parents and school I later learnt, but once started it became a life of its own .

You need to be very careful. Can you repeat this for all your dc? What about the more expensive trips that are way more important for their studies and future? The foreign language exchange trip ? The law school taster weekend at a university, the orchestra visit to wales ? DoE expediations , chief scout expeditions, sailing, climbing or other outdoor persuit lessons… you are only just starting and it doesn’t stop , even at university if they’re doing certain subjects there’s field trips, exchange visits etc. You absolutely have to pace yourself and be highly selective in asking has my child already got a passion for this activity, or is it key to help their studies, and will going on this trip preclude later opportunities for this dc or other dc

CheshireCat1 · 27/05/2023 12:34

Patchw0rk · 27/05/2023 11:45

I've given it a lot of thought and I'm going to tell DC they can't go. I think I was being drawn in by so wanting them to have different life experiences to mine, but, I don't feel they understand enough how much money it actually is (and how much overtime I'd have to cram in).

It's for Y9 and Y10 so if DC is desperate it gives them a year to start saving, learning about money etc then we can see about going next year.

I think you’ve made a difficult but sensible decision. They’ve all their lives to have brilliant life experiences and I’m sure they’ll have many of them. This is one of life lessons they need to learn and they may not realise it now but they definitely will in the future. We’d all love to give our children everything but the best thing we can give them is our love and our time.

whumpthereitis · 27/05/2023 12:35

Needmorelego · 25/05/2023 18:07

@whumpthereitis ha ha £1800 may be a "reasonable" price for skiing but for many families they simply cannot afford that much for a holiday for just one member of the family regardless of whether it was skiing or a trip to the moon.
What I meant though was so many people do go on amazing trips all over the world, have amazing experiences, learn about different cultures etc but so many have never even experienced or visited places in their own country.
The UK may be a small country but Cornwall is very different to Yorkshire, which is different to Scotland, which is different to the south coast, which is different to Norfolk etc etc.
I think it's sad if people don't know about their own country.

Even if they haven’t, so? People are allowed their preferences, and if that’s going abroad rather than exploring their home country then fair enough. You don’t ‘have’ to do the latter, and it’s not intrinsically more valuable than going further afield.

Anyway, if parents don’t want to or can’t pay then that’s that I suppose. That doesn’t mean the trips are without value, and ‘it’s a fun experience’ can absolutely be justification in itself.

Sugarfree23 · 27/05/2023 12:40

INamechangedForThisMadness · 27/05/2023 11:33

A local state school here is running only local day trips and on site activities for their enrichment week this year since many families are struggling with the cost of living after having lockdowns affect their incomes.

They have had parents complaining that there weren't enough expensive residentials!

Schools can't win!

I do think it's a valuable experience for kids to have a residental trip without parents.

Not all kids will do sleepovers with family, or friends, Scouts & Guides aren't always an option either.

One of the Local Authorities near me has stopped the P7 (equivalent of Year6) residential weeks, on the basis of cost. Which I feel is a shame for the kids.

While my oldest was on his residential trip it was bliss getting time with our youngest without sibling rivalry rearing it's head.

SleazyLizzard · 27/05/2023 12:55

I didn’t realise that one of the bonuses of expensive school trips that only a tiny percentage of children are able to access , is to teach the poorer students that life is unfair.

CharlotteStreetW1 · 27/05/2023 12:59

My colleague's son went on a trip to Iceland a few years back for £800 - exactly the same trip as I'd recently done myself for under £400. I know the extra covers teachers and insurance etc but even just £100 on top would surely have covered that.

Someone is doing very well out of these trips 🤔

LlynTegid · 27/05/2023 13:02

I agree with your decision OP.

I think you should still approach the school about their environmentally bad decision. Maybe next year it will be a skiing trip in Europe instead.

Sugarfree23 · 27/05/2023 13:14

@Patchw0rk
Good decision. It might be worth looking at your local dry ski slope and getting DC some lessons so they can be sure if it's something they want to do next year.

But hey their might be other less expensive trips that come up that they fancy instead.

BustopherPonsonbyJones · 27/05/2023 13:40

CharlotteStreetW1 · 27/05/2023 12:59

My colleague's son went on a trip to Iceland a few years back for £800 - exactly the same trip as I'd recently done myself for under £400. I know the extra covers teachers and insurance etc but even just £100 on top would surely have covered that.

Someone is doing very well out of these trips 🤔

It isn’t the teachers. I have recently organised (a non-residential) trip. The cost, should you have been able to access it yourself ( and you couldn’t as it only open to schools), is £23 per person. But then you add on the hire of a coach and it becomes £43 per person. If you looked at the website, you might assume the school were profiteering but the incidental costs have increased a lot the last two years. This insane idea that teachers are getting a free holiday and bumping up your costs is crazy. It is really, really hard work and no one is going to pay for the ‘privilege’ of working, are they? Honestly, the easiest option is to say no and if there aren’t enough people, the trip won’t run. But you have to accept it might run and some children will go - just organise a family event instead of that really upsets you though.

Robinni · 27/05/2023 14:39

Just read through the first page of posts…

This sort of ski trip and the associated cost is very commonplace. A lot of schools have been doing them for decades.

Cost is not subsidised for anyone. Some students are paid for by parents. Some have to get part time jobs.

And no it is certainly not a jolly for the teachers (though they can benefit from some reduced costs); they are on duty 24/7 to manage a hundred or so teens.

It can be a lot of fun but also hard work!

AudentesFortunaIuvat · 27/05/2023 15:38

Usernamen · 25/05/2023 15:26

I presume the school will subsidise the trip for students from low income families?

I see nothing wrong with school trips of this sort - they sounds fantastic, as long as there is help for the families who have no chance of affording it.

What are you classing as ‘low income’?
OP has already said they can’t afford it, and the only possible way would be to do lots of overtime and save up - is that low income? So therefore as they’ve said they can’t afford it ‘off the bat’ and need to save, that means school should subsidise? This parent is taking personal financial responsibility and accepting there would be some sacrifices to be made to give their child something they wouldn’t ordinarily be able to do. If more people did this rather than actively looking for handouts, there might be less micky taking in society in general. It should not be for state schools to fund trips for kids - they don’t have enough money as it is! They should offer monthly payments definitely, and every school I’ve heard of does this, but if their parents aren’t willing to try and make it happen even with cost spreading, then their child cannot go, simple. It’s called personal responsibility. Not everyone can have what they want in life! I highly doubt the state schools where everyone gets free school meals would lay on a trip like this anyway knowing everyone would want it paying for for them.

CalatheaHoya · 27/05/2023 15:56

Patchw0rk · 25/05/2023 14:55

Is it just me, or what are the school thinking?!

DC desperately wants to go of course- all their friends are, of course 🙄and we could possibly afford it with a lot of hard work (on my part, overtime!) but we could take the whole family away for that.

DC is 13 so old enough to understand about money really but so wants to go. It's a week skiing in Canada. I want them to have brilliant life experiences but it's just so much money.

I just think school have lost the plot. Could they really not have come up with something more reasonable for a y9 trip?

That’s completely insane, my parents could never have afforded that when I was growing up. Very unfair of the school to put parents in that position IMO as some won’t be able to afford it and their kids will miss out.

tailinthejam · 27/05/2023 17:53

DD's school did a skiing trip one year, around the same age. No way. Far too expensive. In fact I don't think any of her friends went on it at all.

BillyNoM8s · 27/05/2023 18:18

Our secondary charges £1300 for skiing in Andorra. They get 5 days tuition, travel by coach and need to hire helmets and provide ski clothes.

We have two eligible children. Needless to say, they aren't going.

I don't know why skiing is seen as some sort of rite of passage.

mumyes · 27/05/2023 18:42

Bonkers.

Sounds like a teacher fancies going skiing in Canada.

Tone deaf by the school.

Qilin · 27/05/2023 19:05

TwigTheWonderKid · 25/05/2023 15:18

That's crazy and I'm amazed the school governors authorised the trip in the current economic climate.

It will almost certainly be predominantly during a school holiday and be totally optional for pupils, with limited places - so no expectation that everyone goes.

Ski trips are always very expensive but they've also been around for decades. I went to a very average state school comp in a mainly council house type area in the 80s. School ski trips existed then. I never went - we couldn't have afforded it and I wouldn't have wanted to go skiing or somewhere cold anyway fortunately!

pleasehelpwi3 · 27/05/2023 19:20

mumyes · 27/05/2023 18:42

Bonkers.

Sounds like a teacher fancies going skiing in Canada.

Tone deaf by the school.

Another teacher basher who hasn't even bothered to read the thread.
Was this comment meant for the DM comments?
Going on these trips can be career ending for teachers- and even if they go well, they're not a holiday at all.
Earlier on I likened it to when my Dad used to visit Japan for work (buyer)....and had to visit factories. It's just the same as a teacher- except you're always on call 24/7 for the whole duration of the trip.
And yes, I have done it. I've got one coming up too- enjoyable at times, always stressful!

HerMammy · 27/05/2023 19:21

Ski trips are quite MC, how many kids from low income homes will be skiers or keep it up, it's by its nature appealing to a certain demographic.