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Only Christian kids given a prize

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IDontWantRealism · 21/04/2023 15:56

Can someone help me see reason with this? My kids are atheist but Jewish by ancestry. They go to a non-denominational school but in a very traditional rural area with lots of Christian students. They ran a competition which involved making a profession of faith over Easter. Obviously my kids didn’t enter but many others did. We were told there would be a prize but today at school all children who entered were given a prize leaving out the few non-Christian children and the few other children who didn’t enter. That’s not ok is it? I need some help navigating this as the school have form. We’ve previously had to moan about them being taught other problematic views.

OP posts:
Toddlerteaplease · 21/04/2023 17:17

@Hobbi hardly hateful.

IDontWantRealism · 21/04/2023 17:17

@Andanotherone01 We don’t have Ofsted and the last time the school was inspected is over 10 years ago…

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Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 21/04/2023 17:17

Andanotherone01 · 21/04/2023 17:16

I’m sorry but that is bull. Ofsted would be all over them like a rash.

As has been mentioned many times, the school is in Scotland. No Ofsted there.

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merriedancer · 21/04/2023 17:17

Andanotherone01 · 21/04/2023 17:16

I’m sorry but that is bull. Ofsted would be all over them like a rash.

The OP is in Scotland. OFsted has no remit in Scotland

Botw1 · 21/04/2023 17:17

I'd be really concerned op.

It's not the not getting the prize thats the problem, its the entire competition.

And your kids should absolutely have had some lessons on other religions by p4.

Scottish schools are either Catholic or non dom but in practice this often just means COS as they are linked to a church.

It's ridiculous

And @slowquickstep Christians are absolutely a minority.

All schools should be secular.

PipinwasAuntieMabelsdog · 21/04/2023 17:18

If the DC couldn't colour a poster with an Easter message, I would assume as the teacher that their would be objections to an easter egg tbh. The DC chose not to do an activity, the DPs did not raise an issue there is no issue.

Andanotherone01 · 21/04/2023 17:18

Sorry. Missed that about Scotland. Can’t help you then - I know nothing about their education system

LumpySpaceGoddess · 21/04/2023 17:18

IDontWantRealism · 21/04/2023 17:09

I don’t know the rules surrounding RE teaching in primary schools but they have reached P3 and P4 without learning a single thing about other religions.

This is my experience as well, other religions are very lightly touched upon but RE is heavily based on Christianity, I’m an atheist (Jewish by birth) but I’ve taught my children a mixture of religions at home including paganism and they both can’t stand RE, my son came home very upset once after being told he was wrong when he said he didn’t believe in god.
I know I have the right to withdraw them, my parents withdrew me from RE but I still think it’s important for them to learn as much as they can about it all, I just wish it was taught differently.

almostwarm · 21/04/2023 17:19

Non-denominational isn't the same as secular. But it does mean you should have links with more than one religious organization.
I would push for a wider range of organizations to be involved and not just whatever the local linked church is.

Botw1 · 21/04/2023 17:19

@Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g

Why would a school in Scotland be a church of England school?

Perihelion · 21/04/2023 17:20

PipinwasAuntieMabelsdog, there's a difference between colouring in an easter egg and the words "Jesus lives". But you know that.

IDontWantRealism · 21/04/2023 17:20

I’m not disappearing, I have to pick kids up from a club now. Thank you to everyone for sharing your thoughts, I will read them when I’m home.

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Nocutenamesleft · 21/04/2023 17:21

IDontWantRealism · 21/04/2023 16:42

I don’t want to punish the school. I would like them to recognise that they are not being inclusive in their approach. I would also like them to think critically about what they let the church do in class time.

I take it it was like an RE lesson?

BlackSwan · 21/04/2023 17:22

If a school is secular there shouldn't be special events for particular faiths only. It's not inclusive. Why should religion have any place in a secular place at all.

Botw1 · 21/04/2023 17:23

@BlackSwan

There are no secular schools in the uk

CurlewKate · 21/04/2023 17:23

"You genuinely think non-Christian children should have to profess faith in Jesus in order to be included in a school competition?"

They have to to take a full part in the life of all schools in England and Wales. It's outrageous.

Marchitectmummy · 21/04/2023 17:23

Today my daughter was learning about Eid and part of that wrote in Arabic, when I did an image search on the image it came up as an Arabic symbol meaning something like god is great, god is all around us - might have that wrong.

Her school is in England and has a basis with catholism. There is 1 Muslim child in her year. As far as I know no parents have been offended by it.

So on that basis I think you are being unreasonable yo expect your kids to win an Easter egg for a competition they excluded themselves from. I have no affiliation with a religion but surely aethiest means your kids writing whatever it was is meaningless to them and therefore pretty easy to do. I don't believe in Santa but cN quite happily write I love Santa isn't it the same?

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 21/04/2023 17:25

Botw1 · 21/04/2023 17:19

@Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g

Why would a school in Scotland be a church of England school?

It wouldn't. I was replying to the poster who hadn't noticed this is a Scottish school and who said that perhaps it was a C of E school as so many village schools are C of E, but as they are the local school she thought people might not have realised.

ZeroWorshipHere · 21/04/2023 17:26

CurlewKate · 21/04/2023 16:25

Regardless of the exclusion element, this is entirely inappropriate for a non denominational school, and you should take it up with the governors and with the LEA. Personally, I would be incandescent with rage, and I'm not one to fume about school stuff.

You need to get out more if this makes you “incandescent” or anything other than “ticked off”. It’s not a big deal

Cattycrabing · 21/04/2023 17:27

I’d have massive issues with this to be honest. I’d move them.

if it’s supposed to be non-denominational then it should be.

i wouldn’t be happy about the faith based competition either

Botw1 · 21/04/2023 17:27

@Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g

Ah, OK.

peeweechigs · 21/04/2023 17:27

What you mean is it was a "make a poster " competition.

The poster was about Jesus Lives and everyone who put the effort into making a poster and colouring it in, got a prize.

Your kids could have made a poster if they wanted to.
You are being ingenious saying it's a profession of faith, not even a catholic or Christian school would make a competition out of a profession of faith.

It's colouring competition with words about a religion that you don't believe in but other do. They learn about other religions too so next year they might make a Passover poster.

Crazycrazylady · 21/04/2023 17:28

Mumsnet is such an eye opener to me as to how other people think. In my wildest dreams It wouldn't enter my head to worry about an issue like this. I would have bought my son a egg to make up and let that be that.

I think I'm slightly envious that people have the head space to worry and go to the trouble of contacting head teachers about stuff like this.

Workhardplayhardsaveforarainyday · 21/04/2023 17:29

They didn’t enter.
How could anyone get a prize for not joining in.

The curriculum requires the teaching of other religions

Bimbom · 21/04/2023 17:29

Botw1 · 21/04/2023 17:23

@BlackSwan

There are no secular schools in the uk

What are you talking about