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Do you like the sound of an opera singer?

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SwapTheYforaD · 21/04/2023 14:50

Generally.

I was in conversation with a young musician recently who admitted it's not really to his taste and I think I agree.

I prefer a 'purer', less wobbly sounding voice but am in awe of what pro opera singers can do.

Even the best opera singers: I'm impressed but not moved. If I am moved it's usually down to the orchestra.

Seeing and hearing a full operatic production is incredible though.

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Frankley · 22/04/2023 00:26

Garsington Opera in Oxfordshire go into local primary and secondary schools and do workshops on an opera. The children then go to the theatre and watch and hear.
A great experience.

pickledandpuzzled · 22/04/2023 07:18

Interesting link here mentions different cultural preferences...

www.backstage.com/magazine/article/achieve-flawless-vibrato-7725/

WhenImRelaxed · 22/04/2023 07:42

I was taken to a number of opera performances a young teen as well as classical concerts, choral, jazz and went rock gigs.

What moves me the most is classical music, especially early medieval music choral or instrumental, I love it. Even as an 8 year old when I attended my brother's secondary school concert, I was mesmerised.

I found opera ridiculous and tedious. That's just my gut reaction, the exaggerated drama, long drawn out solos the whole sound is not my thing at all. It's all rather self important.

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Tessisme · 22/04/2023 07:52

I really dislike opera. But it seems to be held up as high end entertainment for the more discerning and I always feel like a bit of a philistine for admitting that it does nothing for me! I'm not a fan of musicals either though, so I suppose I just don't want to hear people singing when I think they should be talking😅

MattDamon · 22/04/2023 08:01

Went only once and by the end we were exhausted from listening to it. When we hit the lobby we realised it wasn't over - it was just intermission. We left anyway. 😲

I love the arts and work in media/entertainment myself. I have the utmost respect for performers, but it is definitely not for everyone.

WhenImRelaxed · 22/04/2023 08:12

Don't feel like a philistine @Tessisme

To me opera is not really sophisticated as I prefer more subtle and authentic (performance) art. I associate opera with people who want to be seen at high culture events and mingle with certain people but I know that some people genuinely love the loud and dramatic action, each to their own, but opera is a bit shallow and garish for my taste.

Deathraystare · 22/04/2023 08:30

I don't mind it as long as the 'story' is good but then I am broadminded in my taste of music.

Don't like Chinese Opera, that is just screechy though I was intrigued that it does not have the 'snot' value that ours has. They treat it like soap operas. The floor is full of disgarded monkey nuts, they chatter amongst themselves and turn up when they like. If they know 20 minutes in that a jealous lover stabs someone say, their favourite bit, they come in then!

BitchFaceResting · 22/04/2023 08:48

SwapTheYforaD · 21/04/2023 15:02

They need the wobble for projection, I believe.

Maybe there's an opera singer among us who could educate us?

It's not the music that's wobbly, it's the voice quality/vibrato. Something to do with creating resonance in a relaxed body/vocal chords 🤷🏼‍♀️

No, don't need wobble for projection

BitchFaceResting · 22/04/2023 08:53

SwapTheYforaD · 21/04/2023 15:10

I hold my hand up in ignorance! But people are allowed to say what they do or do not like, aren't they?

I like the style of the music, just not the quality of a huge vibrato voice, which you tend to hear in opera.

I'm talking about opera itself rather than lieder or more intimate settings.

there is a range of voices, just as in other genre of music.
Most operas are written for sopranos (generally the higher, almost screechy voice, reflecting a violin), mezzo-soprano, contralto.
Men have different ranges too
However, I doubt anyone at the ROH or ENB will be concerned that you dislike their wobbly voices.

Fiftyisthenewsixty · 22/04/2023 09:01

Exasperatednow · 21/04/2023 18:54

Love it but then I trained as one in a former life. However, opera is far better experienced live. And like Shakespeare the more you know the story (usually) the better it is. Its an acquired taste (like olives) and the more you experience the more you like it. For those of you under 25 or with children under 25 the ENO does reduced or even free tickets. They also do family friendly performances. They do some fantastic staging, some really funny. They did a new opera a few years ago called The Women of Whitechapel, which was based on the experiences of Jack the Rippers victims that was a feminist view and spine tingling.

I agree. I didn't use to like opera because I found it hard to understand. I went to see Madame Butterfly 🦋 a few weeks ago though and loved it. Beforehand I listened to an audiobook introduction to it and it helped so much. Going in "cold" isn't the same!

BitchFaceResting · 22/04/2023 09:02

FGSWhatNow · 21/04/2023 19:45

I think it's horses for courses (no offence to the singers Grin). Opera singing is ok when it's opera - what really grates on me is when opera / classically trained singers try and sing pop songs (Katherine Jenkins is a prime culprit for this, she often crops up on telly in a long swishy frock, murdering some otherwise ok tune). It's just wrong. It makes me cringe!

Absolurely with you on that! Kiri and Jose and the West Side Story production. Just no!
Kathleen Jenkins, Alfie Boe, et al, stick to what your voice does best, leave the singing of 'pop' to singers with different voices! 😀

LlynTegid · 22/04/2023 09:27

Like the voice, recognise the skill and dedication, just don't like opera. So there is a space for someone who does.

Dithyramb · 22/04/2023 09:30

BitchFaceResting · 22/04/2023 08:48

No, don't need wobble for projection

You do, in part, to be heard over a full orchestra, but it’s more to do with producing a sound the human ear can distinguish from the sounds of musical instruments — frequency (‘formant’) rather than decibels.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/expert-opera-singer/

https://issuu.com/bostonlyricopera/docs/giulio_cesare_r3_page/s/10637295

Some opera analysts have theorised that Wagnerian ‘heavy’ singing style has somewhat gone out of fashion, and that because of a shift in preference in opera tastes towards the Baroque, some singers are generally adopting a ‘cleaner’, lighter style with less vibrato and chest voice.

Why can an opera singer be heard over the much louder orchestra?

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/expert-opera-singer/

SwapTheYforaD · 22/04/2023 14:27

"... it's more to do with producing a sound the human ear can distinguish from the sounds of musical instruments — frequency (‘formant’) rather than decibels"

That's really interesting @Dithyramb!

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pickledandpuzzled · 22/04/2023 15:40

Am I alone in warbling away as I read?

HRTQueen · 22/04/2023 16:07

Not overly

I have seem Carmen (is it classed as an opera) and Madam Butterfly it was a beautiful production and I cried and cried

Maria Callas singing O mio babbino caro is so beautiful it makes me feel emotional

Stroopwaffle5000 · 22/04/2023 19:35

SwapTheYforaD · 21/04/2023 20:38

Hahaha actual rage?! 😂

Honestly! Also motorbikes reving. It's misophonia apparently 🙈

Jux · 23/04/2023 20:41

Sabrent Palestina, Lotti, Vittoria et al? Wondrous stuff! I used to like St Martins in the Fields renditions, but also Westminster boys. Kings are a bit too perfect....

uncomfortablydumb53 · 24/04/2023 22:44

I can't stand it, it really feels like my brain hurts!

MrsPelligrinoPetrichor · 24/04/2023 23:18

ZittiEBuoni · 21/04/2023 15:31

Great operatic voices are straight from the gods for me. The right combination of voice and music brings tears to my eyes every time.

Me too , it's so emotional.

MrsPelligrinoPetrichor · 24/04/2023 23:23

HRTQueen · 22/04/2023 16:07

Not overly

I have seem Carmen (is it classed as an opera) and Madam Butterfly it was a beautiful production and I cried and cried

Maria Callas singing O mio babbino caro is so beautiful it makes me feel emotional

I'm seeing Madame Butterfly this week ,I've seen it twice before,just beautiful.

MrsPelligrinoPetrichor · 24/04/2023 23:27

tobee · 21/04/2023 17:50

Love opera singing. Can't stand some of the shouty musical theatre voices. Seeming to mistake volume for skill. They sound much more "warbly" to me. But then I don't like Whitney Houston's voice.

I can't bear her voice,does nothing for me.

thespy · 24/04/2023 23:56

I wouldn't choose to listen to most opera at home, except probably the most well known arias, but I went to the opera last summer after a long break thinking I hated it & actually loved it. I think it's much better when you actually see it - as intended - rather than just listening. There are surtitles at the theatre which helps!

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