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Grand National why is she lying?

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Movingonup2023 · 19/04/2023 00:36

Just read an article about a woman who was hit by two horses and how she was knocked unconscious, remembers waking up and hearing her daughter screaming. I’ve just watched the video and she was hit by one horse the other went alongside her. She stood up albeit tentatively straight after, didn’t pass out on the ground, so why lie? It’s on camera there for all to see. I really don’t get it I mean yeah it must have been shit scary and sore but that’s enough you don’t need to make stuff up.

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Bustard · 19/04/2023 03:19

Why do you care enough to make a thread about it? I haven't seen the interview with her but have seen the video. She's probably just recounting the experience from her point of view. Maybe she blanked out the bit where the horse hit her so, to her, she felt like she must have been unconscious.

ThisIsNotAmerican · 19/04/2023 03:30

Maybe that was a different woman?
Maybe her mind is playing tricks on her?
Maybe she’s lying?
Maybe it’s Maybelline?
Maybe social media is one of humankind’s worst things.
Maybe stay off it.

BarbaraofSeville · 19/04/2023 05:16

Maybe if you're on the ground being trampled by horses it's not that clear how many of the horses thundering by are actually making contact?

Does it matter?

palelavender · 19/04/2023 06:00

Was she a protestor? If she was, I can't understand why she would do that when it was just lucky that a couple of horses and their jockeys weren't killed. When I was involved in a riding accident with a horse, my first question was how the horse was? I knew I'd survive a broken bone but the horse wouldn't. (Thankfully we were both fine.) I don't have a shred of sympathy for her and she got absolutely what she deserved. Those horses are undoubtedly traumatised by her actions. For what it's worth racehorses are treated better than many children and they can age out as stud animals or riding hacks rather than as French charcuterie.

Dingus · 19/04/2023 07:36

It sounds like a traumatic experience, so I'm not surprised that someone's memory of it might not completely match video evidence.

Isn't that obvious though? Why do you think she's lying?

moonspiral · 19/04/2023 07:38

When a traumatic event occurs it can be hard to remember the exact details. Be kind.

Wonnle · 19/04/2023 07:49

Is this just a random woman who was at Aintree ?

ittakes2 · 19/04/2023 08:00

I am guessing she saw two horses come towards her. plus you can black out instantly for a second and regain conscious before you hit the ground - I remember blacking out briefly when hit in the head with a softball once - I started to lose my sight and things went black for a second. Still technically lost consciousness.

Nimbostratus100 · 19/04/2023 08:21

she is unlikely to be lying, She is describing events from her point of view. How would she know how long she was unconscious for? No difference between 2 seconds and 2 hours from the point of view of the person, is there. I've certainly known people lose consciousness for a few seconds and come round before they even hit the ground. It happens

shintyminty · 19/04/2023 08:26

In a trauma situation you don't remember things clearly.

Speaking from personal experience. I've seen cctv footage of an incident that happened to me, and there's things I don't remember and things that happened in a different order to what I think.

ProtectorExtraordinaryOfTheCantonsOfNim · 19/04/2023 08:30

palelavender · 19/04/2023 06:00

Was she a protestor? If she was, I can't understand why she would do that when it was just lucky that a couple of horses and their jockeys weren't killed. When I was involved in a riding accident with a horse, my first question was how the horse was? I knew I'd survive a broken bone but the horse wouldn't. (Thankfully we were both fine.) I don't have a shred of sympathy for her and she got absolutely what she deserved. Those horses are undoubtedly traumatised by her actions. For what it's worth racehorses are treated better than many children and they can age out as stud animals or riding hacks rather than as French charcuterie.

No, she wasn't. But don't let that stop you going on before checking the facts (really, it would have been a 5-second Google and you must have spent ten times that typing out how you had no sympathy for her and she got what she deserved).

Bambooflowers · 19/04/2023 08:31

This is what you take issue with, not the poor horses and the grand National??

Wedoronron · 19/04/2023 08:32

palelavender · 19/04/2023 06:00

Was she a protestor? If she was, I can't understand why she would do that when it was just lucky that a couple of horses and their jockeys weren't killed. When I was involved in a riding accident with a horse, my first question was how the horse was? I knew I'd survive a broken bone but the horse wouldn't. (Thankfully we were both fine.) I don't have a shred of sympathy for her and she got absolutely what she deserved. Those horses are undoubtedly traumatised by her actions. For what it's worth racehorses are treated better than many children and they can age out as stud animals or riding hacks rather than as French charcuterie.

Yes she should have been shot. Just in case she was a protestor.

MrsMitford3 · 19/04/2023 08:36

I have seen a picture in the paper and it did look like she was in front of a safety barrier on the track.

Happy to be corrected if this is wrong -but that is what it looked like to me. Obviously no one deserves to be piled on by a horse but I did wonder if a lapse of judgement put her in harms way?

VincentVaguer · 19/04/2023 08:37

ThisIsNotAmerican · 19/04/2023 03:30

Maybe that was a different woman?
Maybe her mind is playing tricks on her?
Maybe she’s lying?
Maybe it’s Maybelline?
Maybe social media is one of humankind’s worst things.
Maybe stay off it.

This is the best post I'll read all day

FluffMagnet · 19/04/2023 08:49

Whenever I have fallen off horses, I have a "black out" period where I can't remember (or at least things are extremely fuzzy) hitting the ground. I have always assumed it is my brain protecting me from the event. I suspect she has experienced similar and assumed she was knocked unconscious.

ProtectorExtraordinaryOfTheCantonsOfNim · 19/04/2023 08:52

So you read an article about a woman who's had one or more horses crash into her, giving her subjective recollection of the traumatic incident, reported by the Sun who are totally happy to just make up stuff, and your immediate takeaway is that she is lying?

  1. She is not directly quoted as saying that two horses hit her. The newspaper interviewing her says that, along with every other newspaper covering the story, most of which had not spoken to her (because the Sun clearly snapped up the exclusive rights to her story) and several of which published before she'd been identified and directly referenced the video. I'm interested in how you spin all of that coverage by multiple journalists before she'd been interviewed by anyone as her lying?
  1. You can't really see from the video exactly which bits of which horse make contact with her. One horse mostly hits her while one mostly misses her, but I wouldn't be prepared to say that she definitely isn't caught by a trailing leg on the second horse at any point. It's exceptionally unlikely that she knows either.
  1. She is not directly quoted as saying she was knocked unconscious although she is quoted referring to “waking up".
  1. Eyewitnesses quoted in other publications say she looked "dazed".
  1. You don't need to be lying flat on the ground with little cartoon birdies flying around your head in order to have briefly lost consciousness or to have no conscious memory of a period of time.

Do you find that a tendency to assume the worst of people you don't know is a common feature of your everyday life? Because if so you might want to get that looked at.

Kendodd · 19/04/2023 08:59

Bambooflowers · 19/04/2023 08:31

This is what you take issue with, not the poor horses and the grand National??

Seems so.
Remind me, how many horse die in front of cheering crowds on racecourses each year?

mindutopia · 19/04/2023 09:31

I suspect she possibly had a head injury and doesn't really remember what happened. Dh had an injury falling off a quad bike on our farm. He was definitely never unconscious. But he has no recollection of why he was on the quad, how he got himself back to the house, doesn't remember me being there, can't remember his mum visiting for lunch two hours before the accident. That's the nature of a head injury unfortunately. I wouldn't assume she was lying. I would assume she was quite seriously injured and has had memory loss. It's incredibly dangerous what happened to her (I work with horses and have had similar myself - though I have nothing to do with racing).

ProtectorExtraordinaryOfTheCantonsOfNim · 19/04/2023 10:33

MrsMitford3 · 19/04/2023 08:36

I have seen a picture in the paper and it did look like she was in front of a safety barrier on the track.

Happy to be corrected if this is wrong -but that is what it looked like to me. Obviously no one deserves to be piled on by a horse but I did wonder if a lapse of judgement put her in harms way?

The account given to newspapers from various sources is that she was part of a group of people who were trying to leave but the exits had been temporarily closed because of the protests, so people trying to get out to the car park were told by stewards to wait in the area (implicitly not one normally open to the public) where the accident then occurred.

MrsMitford3 · 19/04/2023 11:05

ProtectorExtraordinaryOfTheCantonsOfNim · 19/04/2023 10:33

The account given to newspapers from various sources is that she was part of a group of people who were trying to leave but the exits had been temporarily closed because of the protests, so people trying to get out to the car park were told by stewards to wait in the area (implicitly not one normally open to the public) where the accident then occurred.

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Ah @ProtectorExtraordinaryOfTheCantonsOfNim thanks for that explanation. I hadn't seen that anywhere.

Seems it was all a bit chaotic!

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Movingonup2023 · 19/04/2023 13:36

I don’t watch the grand national at all, other than knowing that horses race, horses get injured and killed I can’t say I know a whole lot about it. It was on the news feed and it’s not the fact that 1,2 or 5 horses hit her it’s the fact she says she remembers coming round with her daughter screaming which isn’t what the video showed. I just see that so often on these stories what has happened is exaggerated and when there is video evidence so there is zero point.
I have no doubt it was traumatic and extremely painful but I don’t see the need to embellish an incident that should never have happened and was bad enough. This is often the case in the newspaper it just so happened this was the one that I saw and in the moment wondered peoples thoughts on it. Obviously that’s not what’s expected on a chat forum 🤔

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andymary · 19/04/2023 14:44

Unlike the others, I agree with you OP.

If she is lying about how bad it was, then it's no different to those criminals who do the crash for cash scams.

  • She could be over-exaggerating to get more exposure and more money from the press for her story.
  • It could lead to her trying to claim for more compensation than she would be allowed.
  • It could risk the horse(s) being euthanised for causing 'serious' harm to a member of the public.
  • It turns a simple "accident" into a full blown "collision".
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Movingonup2023 · 19/04/2023 15:25

This is why @andymary it bothers me as it seems to be common place now however with more people filming incidents than ever people are being caught out. I’m not disputing my the fact it was traumatic or painful, it should never have happened. If I was traumatised and couldn’t remember then I would say I can’t remember it happened so fast or words to that effect.

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nocoolnamesleft · 19/04/2023 19:33

Rattled brains aren't as straightforward as that. Confusing details is perfectly plausible.