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Can’t even secure an interview for a new job and I don’t know why

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30flirtythriving · 17/04/2023 12:52

I am applying for lots of jobs. I’ve got good experience in my field and strong qualifications. I (think) my cover letters and CV come across well for the jobs I am applying for…. yet I just never seem to be getting interviews for the roles I want?

It’s so bloody disheartening. I am not asking for sympathy but rather - am I doing something wrong? Is it perhaps just a matter of “life is a number’s game”?

Comparing myself to my peers I am nowhere near where I want to be in my career. Perhaps I should just quite and move abroad 😞

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RoxanaRoxana · 17/04/2023 12:55

Do you have someone in your field who can look at your applications?

I think it’s really important that they are in your area, as norms vary so much between industries.

I assume you’ve had all the generic advice about tailoring everything / proofing etc!

MargotBamborough · 17/04/2023 12:58

My husband was in a similar situation recently.

To a certain extent I think it probably is a numbers game, but is there anyone in your field who can look at your CV and covering letters and give you their opinion?

If you're sure your CV and letters are as strong as you can make them (and tailored to each job) is there something else? A qualification you don't have?

Also, how are you applying? Directly on employers' websites? Via LinkedIn or job sites? Can you try a different approach like using a recruiter? That way you might lesson the risk of spending a lot of time applying for jobs which have already been promised to someone internally, for example.

thenewaveragebear1983 · 17/04/2023 12:58

Could you go through an agency? I found when I was looking that the online sites were just inundated with applicants, I wasn’t making it through the initial screening. I joined an agency, did some temping, and they would contact me with suitable posts - they then talk to the employer about you, set up preliminary phone calls before interviews etc. It felt a lot more personal and like they were actually interested in my CV

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Caddyautopants · 17/04/2023 12:59

Same. It's my age. I'm mid 30s and one HR Manager was very honest and told me I was geriatric compared to her other applicants who were more likely to fit in. Can't report her because who can you "report" them to?

Recruiters keep perving on my LinkedIn profile which has my degree year. Sadly a degree is a requirement of my industry so I can't delete it.

You'll get there OP. Keep on applying!

FionaFlies · 17/04/2023 13:01

Do you phone the recruiter before applying? When I was recruiting for posts, it was the people that had phoned beforehand to talk about the job that stood out.

AreMyDucksinarow · 17/04/2023 13:03

My Dh was in a similar position, applied for loads and was never getting anywhere, in the end he put his cv on cv library and then he was inundated with calls and interviews.

Took him a long time around 9 months to get the job he’s in now.

Keep going you will get there.

FatAgainItsLettuceTime · 17/04/2023 13:05

A lot of companies are using automated sifting for CVs now so it's really important that your CV specifically cover how you meet the Job description/person specification.

If they say for example "experience of using Microsoft excel' then you need to have something in your CV that clearly states you have experience using Microsoft Excel.

UnaVaca · 17/04/2023 13:12

Tailor your applications for every role
make sure you have inserted the keywords from the job description to get through the ATS

helpmehelpmyhusband · 17/04/2023 13:45

I agree with @FatAgainItsLettuceTime about the automated sifting and the importance of showing that your CV matches the job specification.

My husband was in this position and was sometimes getting rejections within 10 minutes which began "we have studied your application carefully", erm, yeah right. He thought he wasn't getting through automatic filters, perhaps based on which university applicants have attended, or having done a specific course.

I asked my HR manager for advice on behalf of my husband on this point and she said:

"It depends on the business [whether the CV is read by a human or not]. Here, for example, every CV is read by a human being; however, in 99% of cases we don't spend more than a minute looking at the CV at the pre-selection stage. That means it needs to include key words from the job specification to ensure that the person who may have hundreds of CVs to read can evaluate in a matter of seconds whether the applicant's profile matches the job or not."

For all his future applications my husband went through the job specification and identified all the key words and made sure they were given a prominent position in his CV, so that a human reading his CV would spot them immediately or a computer programme reading his CV would pick up on them.

He also adopted another technique, which might sound a bit weird. In his case, he was looking for his first civilian job after coming out of the army, which meant that although he had lots of great professional experience and transferable skills, his CV often wasn't a perfect match for the role, or he was up against people from the top business schools who had little professional experience but the right university name and qualification on their CV. What he did was this: after including all the key words on his CV corresponding to skills and experience he did actually have, he typed in all the key words he could think of corresponding to skills and experience he didn't have and couldn't reasonably claim to have, put them in a really small font and coloured them in white. He then converted his CV to a readable PDF before sending it. The logic here is that if the pre-selection is done by a computer programme rather than by a person, including things you don't have on your CV but making it invisible to the human eye increases the likelihood of your CV making it through to the next stage of the process where it is actually read by a person. This wouldn't have made a difference for the job he ended up getting because in that case the job ad gave the hiring manager's email address so he was able to send his CV directly, but perhaps it might help you or someone else reading this.

He was also advised to put the title of the job he was applying for in the first line of his CV or in the document title.

The other thing that I think might have made a difference is in the covering letter. He and I had an argument a while back because I read his covering letter and it was like a carbon copy of letters he'd done for completely different roles at different companies. I said that upon reading the letter it wasn't at all obvious to me that he understood what the job was or what the company does. Lots of no-hopers will apply for jobs they aren't remotely suited to and recruiters will spend days sifting through all this dross. Yours needs to stand out as being a serious application from a serious candidate. It might seem stupid and weird to say in the covering letter what the job is and what the company does - they know what the job is and what they do, after all - but you need to demonstrate that YOU know both these things.

By the end he was starting covering letters something like, "As a former army office with ten years' experience managing military operations in conflict zones, this role as project manager working with clients in the defence sector represents the ideal opportunity for me to use my existing skills in a new context." So in that first line he'd said who he was, what the job was, and why he was a good fit.

And then elsewhere in the letter he would put something like, "As a previous user of military mapping software, I have a particular interest in the kind of technologies being developed by [company], and am ideally positioned to give an insider's view on how best to promote [company's] products to potential clients." In this line he shows that he understands what the company does and says how he could play a role in that.

thecatsthecats · 17/04/2023 14:02

I am very good at getting interviews from my applications, and I don't tailor them to the role beyond a small opening statement in the cover letter. Once I hit upon the right form of words, it works well and I use it again and again.

Different industries and roles have different norms, so I would take the bespoke application advice with a pinch of salt.

How up to date are your qualifications? I find that a specific focus on having learned from both your experience and qualifications is a winner in a cover letter.

helpmehelpmyhusband · 17/04/2023 14:08

thecatsthecats · 17/04/2023 14:02

I am very good at getting interviews from my applications, and I don't tailor them to the role beyond a small opening statement in the cover letter. Once I hit upon the right form of words, it works well and I use it again and again.

Different industries and roles have different norms, so I would take the bespoke application advice with a pinch of salt.

How up to date are your qualifications? I find that a specific focus on having learned from both your experience and qualifications is a winner in a cover letter.

Tbh I think this probably depends hugely on the sector.

But if you are very good at getting interviews from applications, that suggests that your CV and profile are naturally very well tailored to the jobs you are applying for, and also that you are always applying for the same quite specific job, e.g. real estate solicitor, geography teacher, HR manager etc.

If the OP isn't getting interviews from her applications then she does need to try a different approach.

BarbaraofSeville · 17/04/2023 14:28

Caddyautopants · 17/04/2023 12:59

Same. It's my age. I'm mid 30s and one HR Manager was very honest and told me I was geriatric compared to her other applicants who were more likely to fit in. Can't report her because who can you "report" them to?

Recruiters keep perving on my LinkedIn profile which has my degree year. Sadly a degree is a requirement of my industry so I can't delete it.

You'll get there OP. Keep on applying!

I think ageism is hugely overplayed on MN. We've just had a recruitment round and most of the recruits into our graduate level trainee programme are career changers in their late 30s to early 50s. The one person who's a new graduate stands out as being really really young in comparison.

It could be a numbers game (is it a competitive industry?) or there could be something fundamentally wrong with your approach, but @helpmehelpmyhusband makes some good points. Also, can you get some advice from recruitment/career consultants?

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