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How much notice to give before increasing rent?

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ellaria · 14/04/2023 01:38

Not for me, but a friend. I think it's called a rolling tenancy as a new tenancy agreement hasn't been issued for years.

The LL intends to increase the rent from this month (due mid to end of the month)

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aibuaibuaibu · 14/04/2023 01:40

Whenever the tenant agrees.

ellaria · 14/04/2023 01:41

I hadn't finished typing there! They've been tenants for nearly 20 years and think the house is tired and in disrepair as lots of minor repairs have been ignored including broken glass panes and a fire in the main room disconnected for years. Etc etc

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aibuaibuaibu · 14/04/2023 01:41

Ok it's a month but what's the situation?

RideACockHorseToSunburyCross · 14/04/2023 01:42

Eh?

ellaria · 14/04/2023 01:42

She doesn't agree because of lack of repairs and the short notice, but apparently it's going ahead anyway. I said I'd find out as I've asked about this sort of thing here before.

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RideACockHorseToSunburyCross · 14/04/2023 01:43

I'd tell them to sort it themselves @ellaria. MN wont be accurate

aibuaibuaibu · 14/04/2023 01:43

ellaria · 14/04/2023 01:41

I hadn't finished typing there! They've been tenants for nearly 20 years and think the house is tired and in disrepair as lots of minor repairs have been ignored including broken glass panes and a fire in the main room disconnected for years. Etc etc

Ok.

What's the issue?

Repairs outstanding don't mean rent doesn't get paid.

I would ask your "friend" if they went to play hard ball with the rent - if so I can make sure their compliance is up to scratch.

Is there a better property nearby?

Is the rent reasonabl?!

aibuaibuaibu · 14/04/2023 01:43

ellaria · 14/04/2023 01:42

She doesn't agree because of lack of repairs and the short notice, but apparently it's going ahead anyway. I said I'd find out as I've asked about this sort of thing here before.

Can't agree due to lack of repairs.

aibuaibuaibu · 14/04/2023 01:45

Ask your friend to tell the landlord she will agree to a rent increase for a fixed tenancy (if that's what they want).

Or just say no.

Or agree to a fair rent increase but will have to be a months notice.

ellaria · 14/04/2023 01:45

The rent is up to date, but the increase (a couple of weeks notice) when the house is in disrepair.

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ellaria · 14/04/2023 01:46

Is the rent reasonabl?

Around 30% increase I think

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ellaria · 14/04/2023 01:49

aibuaibuaibu · 14/04/2023 01:40

Whenever the tenant agrees.

I don't think that sounds accurate.

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Delectable · 14/04/2023 01:50

This is the problem when LLs don't increase rents for years; it becomes unaffordable for the tenant to pay market rent in the area. It can be a bit below market rent if she's good but usually one month if rent is paid monthly.

aibuaibuaibu · 14/04/2023 02:05

@ellaria no it is. Your landlord can ask you to pay more rent, you have to agree to it,..,,,

aibuaibuaibu · 14/04/2023 02:07

Delectable · 14/04/2023 01:50

This is the problem when LLs don't increase rents for years; it becomes unaffordable for the tenant to pay market rent in the area. It can be a bit below market rent if she's good but usually one month if rent is paid monthly.

That's the tenant having an unrealistic expectation of their means for the area.

ellaria · 14/04/2023 02:14

Delectable · 14/04/2023 01:50

This is the problem when LLs don't increase rents for years; it becomes unaffordable for the tenant to pay market rent in the area. It can be a bit below market rent if she's good but usually one month if rent is paid monthly.

Thank you @Delectable
Yes I think that seems to be the case here. I think the repairs issue is possibly a side issue needing to be addressed. Yes, monthly or four weekly.

@aibuaibuaibu I mentioned a rolling tenancy so I don't think that's correct. And I am asking for a friend so I don't appreciate the quotation marks. I've asked about landlord issues (in the press) before, and received excellent advice and was able to report it. Hence I'm back to ask again.

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aibuaibuaibu · 14/04/2023 02:21

@ellaria not sure what you are quoting me in.

As it's a rolling tenancy there is no contractual terms.

The tenant doesn't have to agree to a rent increase, they also could be given notice to vacate.

If the tenant wants to stay at the house they can negotiate. Eg

  1. I want a 12 month fixed term with no rent increases for 12 months and CPI thereafter
  2. I will increase the rent in two months but it's on the condition you complete X repairs

It's all a fucking negotiation

aibuaibuaibu · 14/04/2023 02:22

@ellaria is the rent reasonable for the area? Can the tenant get better houses with the same rent? Is the EPC decent?

caringcarer · 14/04/2023 03:22

I'm a LL and always give 2 month's notice of rent increase at end of each 1 year fixed conyract. If tenant does not agree they then have 2 month's to find alternative accommodation. Have your friends reported problems in writing to LL?

caringcarer · 14/04/2023 03:25

Is the new rent similar to other rentals in the area?

youveturnedupwelldone · 14/04/2023 06:07

There are contractual terms on a rolling (periodic) tenancy, an AST has implied terms.

www.gov.uk/private-renting/rent-increases

You might find this helpful.

ellaria · 14/04/2023 09:22

caringcarer · 14/04/2023 03:25

Is the new rent similar to other rentals in the area?

I really don't know how it compares locally. I will ask. I think for the condition of the house, and the repairs needed, it isn't considered a fair valuation.

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ellaria · 14/04/2023 09:25

caringcarer · 14/04/2023 03:22

I'm a LL and always give 2 month's notice of rent increase at end of each 1 year fixed conyract. If tenant does not agree they then have 2 month's to find alternative accommodation. Have your friends reported problems in writing to LL?

I don't know if they have been reported in writing by the tenant but the LL is definitely aware of the house condition.

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ellaria · 14/04/2023 09:27

caringcarer · 14/04/2023 03:25

Is the new rent similar to other rentals in the area?

I not entirely sure. I will check but I suspect not due to the disrepair being part of the issue.

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ellaria · 14/04/2023 09:28

youveturnedupwelldone · 14/04/2023 06:07

There are contractual terms on a rolling (periodic) tenancy, an AST has implied terms.

www.gov.uk/private-renting/rent-increases

You might find this helpful.

Thanks

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