Help calculate pro rota pay please! Can I afford this new job I just accepted?!

[Tagnuts]

My new job is 8.15am - 5pm
Weekdays only
Term time only, no bank holidays working
£10 hour
25 days paid holiday
Pro rata pay

Was told I will be paid every month even during school holidays, but because I’m starting the job ‘when the school year has already begun’ I will receive less per month than usual.
It’s not teaching but a similar environment.

This is a dream job, and I don’t want to rock the boat on my first day asking about pay !

Can anyone calculate my monthly pay from the above info? Thankyou !

The pay you are going to get for the hours you are going to work between now and the end of term will need to be “stretched out” longer.

if you worked a full school year from start of autumn term to end of summer holidays you would work for 39 weeks, but have that money earned divided up between 52 weeks.

If you are starting now then you will work for about 15 weeks (? not in England do not sure how many weeks left) and have that money divided up between 21 weeks ie the term time and the holiday.

This is crazy. Just ask them. There’s a big difference between not being motivated by money and not needing it at all. We go to work to get paid and need money on which to live.

But they also understand that people need to eat and pay bills. It doesn't bode well that you're going in an education-style setting yet don't feel confident enough to request details of your pay. I don't understand that mindset at all

Op it’s totally normal to ask for more details of pay/hours when you start a new job. They will think nothing of it.

You have to ask them!! Is it 185 days plus 25 days holiday?

Are they going to take your working days between now and the end of the school year and spread that over the time between now and the end of the summer holidays.. could be 13 weeks plus 8 days holidays (25 x 13/39) .. x 8 hours (paid lunch is an important question) x £10.. (is that gross or net.. it is less than minimum wage so not legal).. would be £1,100 per month... most of which will be covered by your tax free allowance but you might pay pension.

Also worth clarifying if 25 days includes bank holidays or if it's extra.

It should increase in September to £1,466 but more of that will be taxed.. maybe net £1,350 (not accurate)

I think what they mean is that say you only work 10 months of the year they divide the pay over the whole 12 months. I work on a similar basis. So say if over those months that you earnt £12000 but then earnt nothing for two months, instead of earning £1200 a month and then having a two month break in your pay, they pay you £1000 every month, even the ones you are not doing any work. With such a role it is easier if you start and finish whenever their year starts and finishes (probably September).

You can ask them to clarify what the gross pay will be per month for the next 6 months. Just ask politely.

I'm pretty sure they're saying is you get £10/hr but only for the hours you work so work out how many hours you do each week then multiply it by the amount of weeks worked till end of term. I'm guessing you'll start after Easter break so if there are only say 12 school weeks left till end of term and you work 40hrs a week, that's 40 x 12 = 480hr and you're paid £10/hr, so £4800....
So let's say 4800 for 3 months...however I'll presume you'll come back in September so really that £4800 needs to cover you for nearly 5 months. 4800÷5=£960 per month however April wasn't a full months so probably around £1066 from May onwards and £533 for April.
Next year (Sept to Sept) will be much easier to work out as you'll just divide your salary by 12 and get same each month.

Hi. I work in a school and they publish a table for term time hours. Unfortunately 185 days works out as 37 weeks and their table only starts at 38 - so your job must be fewer hours than the statutory school ones. But it might help?

At 38 weeks and on 25 days holiday, your overall contract would be 43.51 paid weeks.(i.e you work all term time but get paid for holidays on top).

At 39 weeks it would be 44.66.

So a rough guess for 37 weeks would be 42.4 weeks pay? Ish?

What we don't know is your daily hours. 8.15 to 5 with an unpaid hour for lunch would be 7.75 hours a day, so £387.50 per week. So £16,430 actual salary per annum?

But if your lunch break is shorter, or paid, etc, that would be different.

Hope this helps?

And I agree with PPs - the 'getting less per month' isn't right, I think they meant you wouldn't get e.g. £16,430 per annum in the first year because you joined part way through. Not that anyone would expect that, but perhaps they have to say so.

I hope it is your dream job and I really hope it works out! Good luck!

I expect the less per month this academic year is because they will have to calculate how many working days are in the 5 months (April to August) you'll be working and even that out over the 5 pay cheques. You're about to go into a non-working, holiday heavy time of year....

If you started in September and were working the full 38 weeks a year:
9hrs x £10 = £90/day = £450/week
38 working weeks x £450 = £17,100
£17,100 divided by 12 months = £1,425/month gross (excluding holiday pay)

April to August there are approx 9 school holiday weeks (maybe 14 working weeks). See how the calculation changes because it's holiday heavy:
9hrs x £10 = £90/day = £450/week
14 working weeks (April to August) = £6,300
£6300 divided by 5 months = £1,260/month gross (excluding holiday pay)

Holiday pay is acrued monthly so would be applied at the same monthly rate to the two examples. I've ignored it to make the maths easier.

The school HR/Business Manager/Finance person should be able to give you the figures.

Yay for your dream job, I do hope the finances work out for you.

I think it’s ok to ask work about the money. Money is important, so it’s better for everyone if you are clear about it. I can’t imagine any employer getting upset because a new employee asked for clarification about wages.

Thankyou for replies and taking time to do the maths for me, I’m much more reassured now.
For the poster asking why this dream job is only min wage ; I’ve worked in hard manual labour recently and this is a change of direction before the retirement years, to finally do something engaging and fulfilling. The job is helping people and that is worth more to me than the pay, hence why I accept the min wage rate willingly.

Thankyou all again, very much appreciated advice.
apologies for daft namechange I just asked DH to think of one whatever came first to mind

Best of luck in your new job @Tagnuts

I hope you have a wonderful time. Congratulations 🎉

Tagnuts is what came to mind first?🤔😂

@billyt No Dangleberries but that username was already taken 😄

we have a cat, what can I say !…

Ok - your hours are 8:15 - 5pm or 8.75 hours. Going to assume that you get a 45 minute unpaid lunch break to make sums easier.

Also will stick with the £10 an hour to make sums easier.

So earn £80 per day.

80 * 185 is £14,800.

25 days of holiday on top plus I think you should get the 7 bank holidays that are in the school holidays.

80 * 32 is £2,560.

So total earnings of £17,360.

Works out at £1466.67 a month in a normal year.

However, assuming you start on 1st April then this academic year you will only work for 13 weeks or 65 days. Equals £5200 earnt. Plus half the holidays / bank holidays. So you will get a total of £6480. Works out at £1296 per month as this will be spread over 5 months from April until End August.

Another calculator I used, was a good estimate of taxes etc

https://salarycalculate.com/tools/uk/england/pro-rata-salary-calculator