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Did people really love Princess Diana that much?

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canjest · 22/03/2023 18:03

I just wondered as I knew she was well liked but videos like this show brown men crying!

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Changingplace · 23/03/2023 06:29

@barmycatmum

and at the same time, she had been so shabbily treated- many of us felt so angry at the Camilla exposé - Diana was an example of grace in the most horrible of circumstances.

and yes, she was on a pedestal.

You’re being quite selective there of what was reported - there was plenty of talk in the press about her own affairs/relationships - none of that behaviour struck me as particularly graceful at all.

I never thought she was on a pedestal whatsoever before her death.

ThomasinaLivesHere · 23/03/2023 06:32

We had to suffer Elton John at number 1 for weeks on end too

😂
So true!

torquewench · 23/03/2023 06:35

I was indifferent to her, despite paparazzi shots of her being plastered across the tabloids practically every day.

I couldn't understand the hysteria around her death, or the people queueing to lay flowers and crying outside royal residences just boggled my mind.

What really pissed me off is the way QEII was vilified for staying at Balmoral, and the nation apparently clamouring for her to come back south. Why? She wouldn't have been any less dead and the family (meaning her sons) should've been left alone to mourn in peace.

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Squirrelsnut · 23/03/2023 06:36

No-one I know is a royalist. I think my SIL was briefly interested in the interview she did. Some people were saddened by her death because she was young and left two children, but there was no hysteria in my circle. I worked 2 minutes from Pall Mall and didn't even bother to walk around the corner to see the flowers.

Whenharrymetsmelly · 23/03/2023 06:36

torquewench · 23/03/2023 06:35

I was indifferent to her, despite paparazzi shots of her being plastered across the tabloids practically every day.

I couldn't understand the hysteria around her death, or the people queueing to lay flowers and crying outside royal residences just boggled my mind.

What really pissed me off is the way QEII was vilified for staying at Balmoral, and the nation apparently clamouring for her to come back south. Why? She wouldn't have been any less dead and the family (meaning her sons) should've been left alone to mourn in peace.

That was just the media vilifing her to take the heat off them - and it worked

Topseyt123 · 23/03/2023 06:43

thelionthewitchtheaudacityofTHISbitch · 23/03/2023 00:17

I haven't read the thread. But her death was shocking at the time. And the reaction of the British general public, and the world, reflected that. I will always remember where I was and what I was doing that day. I will dispute the sarcastic "hysteria" comments from those who were neither born or were under adult age on that day. You dont have a fucking clue. The UK was shocked. You may not like that idea - but it was the truth - the silence was extraordinary. It is one of my 2 JFK moments. I will always know where I was and what I was doing at that time.

I was certain born and of adult age (early 30s) when she died. I absolutely do "have a clue" and remember the death of Diana extremely well.

Yes, it was very shocking. It was still mass hysteria though and highly embarrassing, especially looking back now. People had lost their minds.

Mothership4two · 23/03/2023 06:47

I think it was the total lack of reaction from the RF and the Queen initially that caused the backlash. It was an overreaction to then bring grieving children down to London to satisfy the crowds. I think in this instance the nation's "grief" was people lead and the media followed

ThomasinaLivesHere · 23/03/2023 08:02

I’m not a fan of the royals but I don’t know what the public/press wanted the queen to do. She was with her grandchildren. Prioritising them over a hysteric public was the right thing to do. Plus I thought people like that she was reserved.

Itstimeforlunch707 · 23/03/2023 08:16

GobbieMaggie · 23/03/2023 03:39

Diana Spencer was a rather dim, highly privileged, privately educated, boarder line physiatric, embittered, manipulative, international clothes horse that seemed unable to use the common sense she was born with.

Quite what she thought she was doing mucking about with a wastrel playboy and playing games with the paps is anybodys business.

That she seems to have been canonised is equally mystifying because the jury was very much out on her at the time of her death.

Everyone had their own opinion which is fine. But I think this interpretation ^ is unnecessarily harsh.

To describe her as embittered is not really accurate. People forget that without sm, most people did not know about Charles’s affair with Camilla. There were rumours but everyone assumed it was the press inventing stories. So when Diana decided to put her version of events out there, it was a shock because the real truth was much worse than just a failing marriage. She really had been used very poorly by the palace machine who did indeed want her “to go quietly”.

In the end they say Charles and she reconciled and were able to have a civil conversation. And she grew in confidence doing solo charity work and really blossomed.

She was academically dim; she said of herself she was as thick as two short planks. But Patrick Jephson who worked with her for eight years said she was very canny and intuitively smart. Also that you couldn’t sustain that job in public if you were as unstable and loopy as she had been described. He called her very down to earth with a good sense of humour.

She was indeed very privileged in terms of wealth and status. I don’t know how true this is but many people said in aristocratic circles, her family was seen as older with a longer lineage than our current royal family.

But she had a very dysfunctional upbringing - her mother was basically forced to leave the family home when Diana was six - so to criticise her for not using the “common sense she was born with” seems rather unfair.

She did manipulate the press but given that many vile and untrue stories about her appeared in the papers every day, she would be mad not to try and influence the narrative. It is what any PR company would do nowadays managing someone with her level of fame.

The border line psychiatric line comment is frankly distasteful and in part came about from what Patrick Jephson’s described as a “sustained campaign” to discredit her, which happened when Charles brought in heavyweight PR professionals to rebuild his own reputation and that of Camilla. It worked. A close friend of the Queen called her “damaged goods” in public and a government minister called her “a loose cannon”. It is what powerful establishment men have been doing to their wives for centuries. And btw, it is still going on today.

She did have an eating disorder which she recovered from, and she was extremely unhappy at times during her marriage, but that was the result of discovering that her husband was in love with another woman, before, and after, and probably during their marriage and throughout her pregnancies. And she was supposed to “put up and shut up.” That would probably be enough to destabilise most women for a while.

She did become paranoid at times but that was largely down to Martin Bashir and his 72 forged documents.

What was she doing with a wastrel playboy when she died?

One theory was that she was trying to make the man (Hasnat Khan) she was in love with at the time, jealous, as he had broken off their relationship realising that he couldn’t reconcile her level of fame with his career as a heart surgeon.

Two she was mixing with a family and a man who could afford her protection from the massive level of media intrusion that she encountered wherever she went. Given what happened, this wasn’t a smart move, but it had been reported earlier in the summer that she had found it extremely difficult to find anywhere she could take William and Harry on holiday where they were safe, so a yacht owned by a very wealthy family seemed the obvious solution.

As for her so called canonisation that was largely an invention of the press. She had massive flaws. She had affairs with married men. Most people could see she that despite her privilege, she lived a pretty unhappy life. People were aware that, despite being chased by hordes of paps wherever she went, she was pretty isolated in her private life. And put it this way, I think many people with broken relationships could identify with her struggles.

Fluffygreenslippers · 23/03/2023 08:19

Just going by my own childhood memories, yes they did. I remember when she died we were staying at a friends house. My mother and her friend went completely silent. When we got back she went with another friend to lay flowers. She was an icon for many women; marrying the wrong man, getting divorced and then moving on with her life in style. A lot of women, like my mother, related to that. Everyone had her book in their book shelves.

rowanrome · 23/03/2023 08:25

I was five years younger than Diana and watched her courtship with bemused interest, but for me she was just what I imagined a princess should be on her wedding day and whilst she did things I didn't agree with, I still thought she was wonderful. I was floored when she died and it's the only time I've ever seen my hard headed brother cry. She was also incredibly kind to my mother once during a private moment in difficult circumstances. I still get tearful thinking of her now.

Changingplace · 23/03/2023 08:29

Mothership4two · 23/03/2023 06:47

I think it was the total lack of reaction from the RF and the Queen initially that caused the backlash. It was an overreaction to then bring grieving children down to London to satisfy the crowds. I think in this instance the nation's "grief" was people lead and the media followed

This! I think the media realised they needed to change the narrative because they’d been really critical of her, and she certainly courted the press as and when she wanted the attention.

I think it’s worth remembering how influential the print press was then too - front pages were everything pre internet so the print media operated differently and had much more power than they do now to create this concept of the whole country having come to a standstill.

The press were deflecting attention from their own hypocrisy, and it worked.

Changingplace · 23/03/2023 08:31

Changingplace · 23/03/2023 08:29

This! I think the media realised they needed to change the narrative because they’d been really critical of her, and she certainly courted the press as and when she wanted the attention.

I think it’s worth remembering how influential the print press was then too - front pages were everything pre internet so the print media operated differently and had much more power than they do now to create this concept of the whole country having come to a standstill.

The press were deflecting attention from their own hypocrisy, and it worked.

Sorry I completely misread this - it’s early! I think the opposite, it was media led, people followed and it’s now in some people’s minds become fact.

Itstimeforlunch707 · 23/03/2023 08:38

Mothership4two · 23/03/2023 06:47

I think it was the total lack of reaction from the RF and the Queen initially that caused the backlash. It was an overreaction to then bring grieving children down to London to satisfy the crowds. I think in this instance the nation's "grief" was people lead and the media followed

Yes the Palace handled the PR very poorly. The Queen could have avoided bringing the boys down to London if she had made a public broadcast from Scotland earlier in the week, if they had sorted out the flag situation, and if there had been some public acknowledgment of the enormity of what had happened other than a rather terse written statement. Was there anything else? I can’t remember now?

The Palace apparently wanted and assumed that Diana’s funeral would a be private family service, which demonstrated how they had underestimated Diana’s popularity with the public. And how they had misread the strength of feeling. It was that misjudgement and the mismanagement of their response that made the RF temporarily vulnerable for a couple of days.

But it was the tabloids, typically, which blew up and over-exaggerated the “where are you ma’am?” thing, probably because there was a lot of talk about the culpability of the press at the time.

Mothership4two · 23/03/2023 08:42

The tabloid press didn’t come out of this very well at all.

And, at that time, it was generally accepted that the paparazzi were directly responsible for the accident ie were involved in the crash

ZeldaWillTellYourFortune · 23/03/2023 09:25

YourUserNameMustBeAtLeast3Characters · 22/03/2023 18:07

I think lots of people loved her when alive, and lots couldn’t care less, and some did not like her at all.

But when she died it was like mass hysteria, like she’d become a martyred saint. It was very odd.

Agree. I remember everything from her engagement forward, and she was not especially well liked until suddenly becoming a saint at her untimely death.

ZeldaWillTellYourFortune · 23/03/2023 09:25

Sunriseinwonderland · 22/03/2023 18:07

I'm 61 around her age if she was alive. It was mass hysteria as I recall. I have never seen anything quite like it. I just looked on stunned by the crying and wailing.
It was as if people had bought into some Disney fairy tale. I'm wondering if any research studies were done on it.

That would be interesting!

blobby10 · 23/03/2023 09:29

I was a very immature 12 year old when Diana and Charles married and fully bought in to the fairytale princess thing. Became a massive Diana fan which tapered off after a few years but do remember feeling so sorry for her in the early years with every photograph being critiqued and comments on her weight and suchlike.

She died when my eldest was a year old and I felt very sad and did shed a few tears whilst watching the news but this was mainly for her children . I do remember feeling embarrassed to be British when the media reported the seas of flowers, the candles, the vigils, and during the funeral procession when voices wailed out 'Oh Diana Diana'. Felt so sorry for her actual family who were mourning someone they knew having total strangers hijacking that mourning.

Wowzel · 23/03/2023 09:29

I remember Diana dying and was completely bemused by the collective hysteria, it was incredible. I've never seen anything like it again since

GobbieMaggie · 23/03/2023 09:51

Itstimeforlunch707 , gosh !

Despite an expensive and privileged education she left school without a single qualification having failed her exams TWICE !.

She tried to throw herself down the stairs while pregnant and bulimia is a recognised psychiatric condition.

She most certainly did have numerous affairs Reports with her protection officer, Barry Mannakee emerged in 1985. There were additional claims she had dalliances with city financiers, foreign royalty and some married men, among others, in her first five years of marriage

As for the paps hounding her - she was the one calling and tipping them off !.

Finally, she was offered the full use of the professional embassy staff plus Chirac offered her his own presidential car and security. All of which she dismissed and chose to get into a car driven Paul, who was not accredited as a chauffeur and who’s job wasn’t to drive guests around. Perhaps if she had bothered to put her seat belt on and told Paul to slow down she would still he here.

Ultimately she seemed unable or unwilling to take responsibility for herself. And that was down to her. She wasn’t a saint , she was a child.

Strugglingtodomybest · 23/03/2023 09:51

I was mid-20s when she died and I honestly couldn't have cared less (although I did feel sorry for her kids). I'm not a fan of the royals and therefore did not follow her story in the press.

I found the mass hysteria very very strange. How could people not see how they were being manipulated by the media? Why would you feel grief like that for someone you didn't know? Fascinating.

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 23/03/2023 09:56

Ladybug14 · 22/03/2023 18:34

This

Absolute mass hysteria. Utterly unbelievable.

And on the one year anniversary of her death articles in the papers by journalists along the lines of OMG, what were we thinking when we all went mad a year ago?

People carrying expensive flowers walking past the homeless, who could have made better use of the money, even if it was for a can of lager. It was nuts and if you weren't swept up in it you kept your mouth shut.

Octopusmittens · 23/03/2023 10:00

Justforlaffs · 22/03/2023 18:08

From my memory no she wasn’t - she was actually pretty much vilified and strongly disliked by most - and then she died and was turned into a saint.

I was about 18 when she died so not really the “Diana fan” demographic - I was indifferent to her- but she definitely wasn’t universally loved - that’s revisionist history.

I think your comment is more revisionist history
Diana was incredibly popular.

GobbieMaggie · 23/03/2023 10:02

I think your comment is more revisionist history Diana was incredibly popular.

No she wasn’t !.

Blossomtoes · 23/03/2023 10:04

GobbieMaggie · 23/03/2023 10:02

I think your comment is more revisionist history Diana was incredibly popular.

No she wasn’t !.

She really was.

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