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How can I stop us all bickering?

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Crushmonsters · 20/03/2023 22:28

We have one 12 yr old son. We are all bickering a lot - we just seem to push each others buttons. I know I’m feisty, so is my son, so we clash at time but my DH is also tricky. It feels like the dynamic has just hit a wall.

ugh. How do I reset? I feel like this dynamic/these patterns are hard to break and revive

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Crushmonsters · 21/03/2023 06:48

My background wasn’t unhappy in the sense that I had a bad family - it was extremely loving and supportive - I just never felt like I belonged. And I felt I was the one creating the problems within the family - which is exactly what I feel now. Fuck. I’m crying my eyes out here. I don’t want my son to grow up without loving me, with wanting distance because I’ve not been good enough. I need to make changes

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AndEverWhoKnew · 21/03/2023 07:01

As a PP said, to balance the calm rules, you need to carve out space for fun and caring too. With my similarly aged DC, we always have a series that we're watching and a book we're reading so regardless of what has gone on, we cuddle up together at the end of the day.

For your DC, there are mindfulness classes too. Our DC loved them.

Your issue isn't unique. You're not a monster. 'Get out of my Life but first take me and Alex into town' is a good book to read for parenting this age group.

Clytemnestra21 · 21/03/2023 07:01

OP - don't want to read and run. I could have written your post! Huge hugs to you, huge huge huge hugs.it wasn't your fault when you were little and you can change things for your own family. Go back to therapy. And be gentle on your boy.

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Crushmonsters · 21/03/2023 07:14

AndEverWhoKnew · 21/03/2023 07:01

As a PP said, to balance the calm rules, you need to carve out space for fun and caring too. With my similarly aged DC, we always have a series that we're watching and a book we're reading so regardless of what has gone on, we cuddle up together at the end of the day.

For your DC, there are mindfulness classes too. Our DC loved them.

Your issue isn't unique. You're not a monster. 'Get out of my Life but first take me and Alex into town' is a good book to read for parenting this age group.

Thanks, I will get that book

we have lots of fun. We all watch stuff together every night - I am constantly doing or organising stuff. It’s not all gloom, but the bickering is a cloud, for sure, right now

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Doingmybest12 · 21/03/2023 07:42

Are you giving yourself a hard time here and expecting too much of a Waltons style family. It sounds like you've done a lot of work on yourself and made a lot of changes to how you were parented. Even though I am not argumentative one of my children was/is and in the end I decided to cut myself some slack and think at least we are communicating even if it could be better. I could only turn it around so much as I could model a better way but not make him change. He was 13 when I realised this. It tool the pressure off and thin the end helped. Just take one day at a time, lots of deep breaths, lots of counting a few seconds before you answer. Lots of non committal replies. Also I realised any hair brained schemes he talked about never came to anything in the end so i stopped commenting and let it all come out in the wash.

Copasetic · 21/03/2023 07:48

I have a 12 year old son. Not an only child but 2 older siblings - one married and one at uni - so no one at home to argue with. He can be such a joy but also SO annoying. I'm also a bit too argumentative and don't let things go. I've recently started taking away his phone as a way of taking back control without argument. That works.

LizzieSiddal · 21/03/2023 07:55

Could you be absolutely honest and sit him down, (with your h too) and say you hate the bickering and constant drama about homework/gaming etc?
Could you all come up with “rules” (don’t really like that word) which are agreed and put up on the wall/fridge that set stuff out “homework done before gaming” “gaming for x hours a day” etc. At least that will mean you won’t have to constantly talk about the same issues everyday.

Also I think you sound a great mum, you’re aware of an issue in the family and trying to sort it! Please don’t think about leaving, your boy would be absolutely devastated, he needs his mum.

isthewashingdryyet · 21/03/2023 08:01

Count to at least five before replying.
have one sentence you repeat, no variation. Only repeat this 3 or 4 times
Then walk away, saying you need to do the washing up/laundry/go on mumsnet

then, once he has done what is required, praise him to the moon

NoSquirrels · 21/03/2023 08:24

I felt I was the one creating the problems within the family - which is exactly what I feel now.

You sound like a great mum, actually. And I’m sorry you felt that way as a child and you don’t have to feel that way now. I think some talking therapy would help - shifting dynamics into the teen years are tricky, there’s no shame in working things through with an outsider.

My DH grew up in a shouty household and that’s his go-to communication; he parents in a more authoritarian way than I think is helpful. I grew up on a pretty conflict averse household; he thinks I let things go too often. We muddle through! What I observe as flash points can be when he engages in arguments that aren’t even worthy of a discussion, and from your example it sounds like there may be some of that going on - as a PP says, when they come up with a ridiculous defence/plan/statement and instead of a ‘Hmm, well, that’s your opinion and we’ll have to agree to disagree’ he has to prove himself right (and or ‘say something judgemental’?) leading to teen having to entrench themselves in a position leading ultimately to shouting and hurt feelings.

Sustainablesources765 · 21/03/2023 08:24

First I think you are being very hard on yourself op. Three is a difficult dynamic, especially if you are all strong personalities. And as you say, it is quite intense for your son having two sets of fog lamps on his every move too 😄.

It's not your sole responsibility either. If your DH is tricky, your ds is probably copying him as DC often copy the same sex parent. .Your husband needs to step up in this situation too. In what way is he "tricky"?

Thirdly, your ds may not have physically gone through puberty, but he is growing up and his behaviour is telling you something; so listen to it. It's normal for tweens and teens to start splitting themselves off from parents in order to become individual independent adults. So his behaviour could be telling you that he is ready for more autonomy and responsibility and he is telling you to step back a bit and let him monitor himself a bit more.

You may need to re-think your parenting style. Perhaps sit down with him and negotiate the rules. Ask him what he thinks is reasonable in relation to sugar, study, sleep, exercise, gaming, friends etc, so he signs up to the programme. So as a pp said, the rules are the rules and there's an agreed consequence if they are broken.

At this point you slowly switch from being a parent who enforces from the top down to one who runs alongside your child, encouraging, and asking them with genuine interest, I wonder if you are you going to be successful in your project to self monitor this week? Are you you going to be successful in your struggle to develop SELF discipline?

This hands the responsibility over to him. So when he asks something like "can I go and see my friends tonight?" when you know he has homework, instead of saying "no you can't" you say something like , "mmm let's see, I really hope so and I'll be interested to see if you can manage both and get your hwk done properly".

Stepping back is one of the hardest things when you have been hands-on for 12 years but it's so important with adolescents or near adolescents to let them suffer the consequences of their decisions and the earlier you do this the better.

If he doesn't do hwk to a good standard he doesn't get to game.
If he doesn't get up on time, he's late and he gets a bollocking from school (obviously as he is younger, you have to gradually hand over responsibility for this one)
He gets a reasonable amount of snacks put in a tupperware box for the week and if he eats them all at once then, tough, you are not buying extra.

Is it such a disaster if he wants to do things in his own way as long as the end result is the same? Why should he do everything the same way as you? He's an individual with his own preferences so allow him some freedom to exercise them?

How much are you doing for him? Are you cooking for him, cleaning his room, telling him when to go to bed, going in to wake him up, telling him when to shower, laying out or directing him to clean clothes? Do you drive him everywhere? Is his main role in life to comply?

If so, then you need to step back and shake things up a bit. He's twelve. He is capable of taking over responsibility for a lot of these things. Step back and observe. Let the battle be with himself, not you. (Obviously with some things like food there has to be a gradual hand over but my DC cooked a meal once a week from the age of twelve.) Does he do chores? Peel potatoes? Empty bins? Hoover his room? Change his bed? Walk the dog? Does he go food shopping? Can he wash a load of towels? Get him involved and contributing then it's "us all together" instead of 'parents v child'.

And to keep things interesting , start asking him for help to do things slightly out of his comfort zone. Run an errand for you by himself in town. Go to the supermarket by himself and find something obscure. Go and help someone elderly in your street.
Sign him up for the Duke of Edinburgh Awards. Get a paper round. That will dilute some of his feistiness.

A couple of other things:

  • focus on that split second between him pressing your buttons, and you reacting. Literally count to ten in your head, or wear a snap band on your wrist, pretend you are being filmed, do some square breathing, step out of the room briefly ... anything ...that interrupts your automatic response and keep practicing...it will then start coming automatically...breathe and breathe again.
  • use humour to dissipate tension
  • never let the rules or the arguments over rules get in the way of your primary relationship because, when he is eighteen, and he is out of the house and you no longer have the same degree of control over him, it is the relationship that will stop him from wanting to disappoint you and will put a natural check on things.

Finally, get some help with this from a licensed psychotherapist, someone who specializes in families, adolescence or parenting. The fact that you feel like walking out indicates it's got to the point where you need support with this.

Are you doing enough for yourself too? Are you happy in yourself? Now he is twelve you can maybe start a hobby? Do something fun just for yourself?

Sorry for the very long essay but I can identify with so much of what you are saying. I come from a shouty family too and it's really difficult to learn how to step back, so I very much identify! Good luck!

NoSquirrels · 21/03/2023 08:27

Also - if you feel brave, you can ask him ‘Why do you think we end up arguing so much, DS?’ And listen to the answer…

ssd · 21/03/2023 08:38

Problem with an only child is theres too much focus on him, too much focus on his homework, his gaming, what hes eating. He wont be doing anything his peers arent doing and he knows it, but your lazer focus is on him being this image of what you want and hes falling short because hes only human like every one else.

Step back, step away, let him be 12 and unperfect. I bet you aren't perfect either. Let him get into trouble with late homework, let him game if it relaxes him. You aren't getting it right just now so something needs to change.

ssd · 21/03/2023 08:40

Stop organising stuff for all the time, stop watching stuff all the time. You arent the waltons. Hes a kid starting to grow up, you are constantly in his face organising him then getting pissed off when he wants to organise himself. Let him be.

Crushmonsters · 21/03/2023 09:13

ssd · 21/03/2023 08:40

Stop organising stuff for all the time, stop watching stuff all the time. You arent the waltons. Hes a kid starting to grow up, you are constantly in his face organising him then getting pissed off when he wants to organise himself. Let him be.

your tone is very off - ironically. I don’t need you to speak to me in the way you have. Thanks

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Crushmonsters · 21/03/2023 09:20

Sustainablesources765 · 21/03/2023 08:24

First I think you are being very hard on yourself op. Three is a difficult dynamic, especially if you are all strong personalities. And as you say, it is quite intense for your son having two sets of fog lamps on his every move too 😄.

It's not your sole responsibility either. If your DH is tricky, your ds is probably copying him as DC often copy the same sex parent. .Your husband needs to step up in this situation too. In what way is he "tricky"?

Thirdly, your ds may not have physically gone through puberty, but he is growing up and his behaviour is telling you something; so listen to it. It's normal for tweens and teens to start splitting themselves off from parents in order to become individual independent adults. So his behaviour could be telling you that he is ready for more autonomy and responsibility and he is telling you to step back a bit and let him monitor himself a bit more.

You may need to re-think your parenting style. Perhaps sit down with him and negotiate the rules. Ask him what he thinks is reasonable in relation to sugar, study, sleep, exercise, gaming, friends etc, so he signs up to the programme. So as a pp said, the rules are the rules and there's an agreed consequence if they are broken.

At this point you slowly switch from being a parent who enforces from the top down to one who runs alongside your child, encouraging, and asking them with genuine interest, I wonder if you are you going to be successful in your project to self monitor this week? Are you you going to be successful in your struggle to develop SELF discipline?

This hands the responsibility over to him. So when he asks something like "can I go and see my friends tonight?" when you know he has homework, instead of saying "no you can't" you say something like , "mmm let's see, I really hope so and I'll be interested to see if you can manage both and get your hwk done properly".

Stepping back is one of the hardest things when you have been hands-on for 12 years but it's so important with adolescents or near adolescents to let them suffer the consequences of their decisions and the earlier you do this the better.

If he doesn't do hwk to a good standard he doesn't get to game.
If he doesn't get up on time, he's late and he gets a bollocking from school (obviously as he is younger, you have to gradually hand over responsibility for this one)
He gets a reasonable amount of snacks put in a tupperware box for the week and if he eats them all at once then, tough, you are not buying extra.

Is it such a disaster if he wants to do things in his own way as long as the end result is the same? Why should he do everything the same way as you? He's an individual with his own preferences so allow him some freedom to exercise them?

How much are you doing for him? Are you cooking for him, cleaning his room, telling him when to go to bed, going in to wake him up, telling him when to shower, laying out or directing him to clean clothes? Do you drive him everywhere? Is his main role in life to comply?

If so, then you need to step back and shake things up a bit. He's twelve. He is capable of taking over responsibility for a lot of these things. Step back and observe. Let the battle be with himself, not you. (Obviously with some things like food there has to be a gradual hand over but my DC cooked a meal once a week from the age of twelve.) Does he do chores? Peel potatoes? Empty bins? Hoover his room? Change his bed? Walk the dog? Does he go food shopping? Can he wash a load of towels? Get him involved and contributing then it's "us all together" instead of 'parents v child'.

And to keep things interesting , start asking him for help to do things slightly out of his comfort zone. Run an errand for you by himself in town. Go to the supermarket by himself and find something obscure. Go and help someone elderly in your street.
Sign him up for the Duke of Edinburgh Awards. Get a paper round. That will dilute some of his feistiness.

A couple of other things:

  • focus on that split second between him pressing your buttons, and you reacting. Literally count to ten in your head, or wear a snap band on your wrist, pretend you are being filmed, do some square breathing, step out of the room briefly ... anything ...that interrupts your automatic response and keep practicing...it will then start coming automatically...breathe and breathe again.
  • use humour to dissipate tension
  • never let the rules or the arguments over rules get in the way of your primary relationship because, when he is eighteen, and he is out of the house and you no longer have the same degree of control over him, it is the relationship that will stop him from wanting to disappoint you and will put a natural check on things.

Finally, get some help with this from a licensed psychotherapist, someone who specializes in families, adolescence or parenting. The fact that you feel like walking out indicates it's got to the point where you need support with this.

Are you doing enough for yourself too? Are you happy in yourself? Now he is twelve you can maybe start a hobby? Do something fun just for yourself?

Sorry for the very long essay but I can identify with so much of what you are saying. I come from a shouty family too and it's really difficult to learn how to step back, so I very much identify! Good luck!

So, so helpful and appreciated. Thanks very much

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ssd · 21/03/2023 09:53

@Crushmonsters , sorry if my tone was blunt. Hope you got the answers you wanted.

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