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The future of schools with no teachers: kids in a hall on screens

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noblegiraffe · 18/03/2023 13:40

This just came up on twitter as a laudable story of a school saving on supply teachers by herding kids into the hall, logging them into laptops and having them teach themselves from videos or websites, while kept in order by a non-teacher who won't be able to help them.

As we have fewer and fewer teachers and more and more lessons that need supply, this will probably be the future of schooling. We know from lockdown how utterly inadequate it is. No discussions, no practicals, no personal relationships. Even with the best AI tailoring the content (which is isn't right now) it is a grim and sterile scenario.

And now we know why the only thing that the government has put significant funding into in recent years is Oak Academy. This is what they want. This is why they have slashed teacher training providers during a recruitment crisis. This is why they are playing silly buggers with pay negotiations during a retention crisis. They don't care that kids don't have teachers.

schoolsweek.co.uk/solutions-how-an-academy-trust-slashed-its-supply-costs/

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noblegiraffe · 19/03/2023 09:38

blooer · 18/03/2023 19:07

It's not some stealth advertisement for Oak Academy is it. You've mentioned it a couple of times now 😀

It's only really a supplementary learning tool, in my opinion.

No, it's not a stealth advertisement for Oak Academy, Oak Academy is mentioned in the article as used in the school for cover lessons, not simply as a supplementary learning tool.

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WombatChocolate · 19/03/2023 09:47

I wonder what the people who think teachers are all moaners who have nothing to complain about, and those who think schooling could be delivered by online lectures and any old body manning the room would think if that comes to pass. Do they think they will see it as better?

Education has to be interactive for it to work. Children need a knowledgable human to be able to ask questions to, and the human has to be able to respond to the questions and adapt what they are doing, so that the individual learning needs in the class are met. It is a dynamic process, not something that is resources produced in isolation away from the specific children it is aimed at, and then simply thrown at them.

Even at university, students have tutorials and seminars where discussion is key. In schools, pupils are younger, increasingly less able to self-regulate and the less interactive school is, the more challenging already difficult behaviour will become.

But some parents are interested in childcare, not education. As long as the children leave the house for a few hours each day, they aren’t actually that interested in whether quality education is happening, or their child has spent most of the day sat with a baby-sitter. Some parents would rather see the school as an enemy to fight….that is, any school rules applied to their child, any attempt to get them to do work they don’t want to do.

Most parents do want their children to be well-educated, but probably aren’t well enough informed to know whether that’s really happening. As others say, schools have hidden the difficulties, to deliver a positive front. They play down teacher shortages, write letters to say the situation is in-hand and paper over the cracks….because they don’t want children and parents to worry. But it’s time to stop doing that,because parents DO need to worry. Many parents won’t see what the difference is between an Oak Academy online worksheet given out by a cover supervisor, and the worksheet made by a teacher for that particular class and interactively used in a collaborative process. All they will see is the worksheet. So they won’t fully understand that the experience and learning is entirely different.

In the end, children will get what we are prepared to pay for. Education can be cheap childminding, to the loss of individual children and to the future of the nation. Quality education which enables individual to get the most out of life and enables the country to be competitive in a global economy requires resources which comprise enough, well-qualified staff and the resources they need to deliver education - that means buildings, books, materials, support staff and services, sufficient time to plan and mark and do the other things that are necessary. But it costs.

Almost all teachers like teaching children and seeing individuals progress. They want to continue to do it. But they can’t and will leave if they are unable to do it due to insufficient time, resources and support to allow them to do it effectively and to also have a life outside of it.

People cannot expect teachers to put up with intolerable situations into the long term…..that is, intolerable conditions in schools due to insufficient staffing for complex needs, pupil and parent behaviour which is unacceptable and not effectively addressed, and workload which spirals into hours per week which couldn’t be contemplated in other similarly paid occupations. And if they leave, the children will be left with the alternative model of education, where a teacher in the classroom interacting with you becomes the exception and a tiny part of the week, and the rest is basically childminding with some resources thrown at the children.

Parents need to know what is happening. Schools and teachers need to stop saying ‘we are doing our best and getting the children through’ and be honest about what the children today are already missing out on.

RosettaTheGardenFairy · 19/03/2023 10:52

Buzzinwithbez · 18/03/2023 18:45

I'm interested in your perspective because we home educate, so to some extent it's up to us to decide what is important.

I imagine there are some people who end up in jobs for which history and geography have proved useful. I know children whose knowledge of history far surpasses mine as that's their interest. Their sense of how we got to where we are and their general knowledge makes them pretty good conversationalists. Those soft skills are important!

I don't want to digress too much, however.

In terms of online learning, learning maths in the same small group over zoom just did not work for my kids. It's wonderful to see them thriving again, helping each other out and solidifying their understanding by explaining to each other.
We tried various other zoom lessons during lockdown and they just didn't come close to the vibrancy and immediately of being face to face.

Post lockdown we've found two excellent very small providers of online lessons that work well now it's an active choice. For both it's a labour of love and one of them made the point that they perform the lessons rather than teach them.

If schools go the way of having lessons delivered by video en masse, it's a guarantee the powers that be will want to drag home ed kids in so that all children can be guaranteed the same one size fits none world class education.

Please don't pull back on your kids history lessons (I never did Geography).

I don't use history at all in my career (investment banker), but I loved history at school. The projects taught me to identify objectives, make a clear action plan, state concise arguments, and summarise - all if which have proven very useful in my job (even if reciting the wives of Henrry VIII didn't!) 😊

I don't live in the UK, my kids are going through the Dutch education system but what I read about on here about the approach to education in the UK and the approach to teachers is really sad.

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