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Gcse maths question help!

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Thisisnotmyname2022 · 14/03/2023 20:00

My daughter has had a go at this question this evening, she thought the answer was 1.5 and I agree.. however the 3 marks are given for 1, and only 1 mark given for her answer.

What have we missed?

Thank you

Gcse maths question help!
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LIZS · 14/03/2023 20:06

2.8/2 so 1.4 Did she show workings? Was there any instruction to round?

ltappleby · 14/03/2023 20:08

I’d have estimated 2/9 of 4 so more or less 1 ie the total time is 9 and the maximum speed is 4 and it’s an even curve so at time 2 it’s 2/9 of the maximum speed. I’m not a mathematician though and the logic might be wrong!

SausageinaBun · 14/03/2023 20:12

To estimate a gradient on a curve you need to draw a tangent to the curve at the point you're estimating and then do the gradient of that tangent.

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dootball · 14/03/2023 20:16

It looks like you can drag the dots to make the blue line a gradient to the curve at the point where t=2.

Thisisnotmyname2022 · 14/03/2023 20:18

So she’s saying acceleration = change of speed/change of time.

I’ll forward these messages on to her. There’s nowhere to input any working out, it’s an online platform, but the answer of 1 gives her full marks. It says estimate, so we assumed that means round to the nearest whole number.

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Whelm · 14/03/2023 20:19

Not a mathematician, but focusing on t=2:
The gradient is changing, at 1.8 on the x-axis, the y value is 2.6. At 2.2 on the x-axis, the y value has increased to 3.0.
The change in y compared to the change in x is 0.4/0.4 = 1.

Thisisnotmyname2022 · 14/03/2023 20:20

Is the acceleration irrelevant? If it’s asking for gradient?

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dootball · 14/03/2023 20:21

@Thisisnotmyname2022 it says estimate, because you can't measure it with perfect accuracy, not because it wants you to round to the nearest whole.

dootball · 14/03/2023 20:21

the gradient is the acceleration.

Thisisnotmyname2022 · 14/03/2023 20:22

dootball · 14/03/2023 20:21

@Thisisnotmyname2022 it says estimate, because you can't measure it with perfect accuracy, not because it wants you to round to the nearest whole.

Makes sense, thank you.

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Thisisnotmyname2022 · 14/03/2023 20:23

Thats what we thought, but then figured we must be wrong 😑

We can’t figure out how the answer is 1 though.

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Thisisnotmyname2022 · 14/03/2023 20:24

Whelm · 14/03/2023 20:19

Not a mathematician, but focusing on t=2:
The gradient is changing, at 1.8 on the x-axis, the y value is 2.6. At 2.2 on the x-axis, the y value has increased to 3.0.
The change in y compared to the change in x is 0.4/0.4 = 1.

I’ll send her this, thank you.

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BetterBee · 14/03/2023 20:24

You need to use the blue line on the graph to make a tangent at t=2. The gradient of that line will be 1.

Thisisnotmyname2022 · 14/03/2023 20:27

BetterBee · 14/03/2023 20:24

You need to use the blue line on the graph to make a tangent at t=2. The gradient of that line will be 1.

Thank you, I’ve passed that on to her too. Hopefully these comments will have made it click.

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septembersapphire7 · 14/03/2023 20:33

Forgive the poor phone edit but drawing a tangent at t=2 roughly gives a gradient of 3/3 which is 1.

as pp stated, a gradient at a specific point on the x axis on a curved graph requires a tangent to be drawn at that specific value of x (where straight line is touching the curve at that point and in same direction).

Gcse maths question help!
DadDadDad · 14/03/2023 20:34

Former maths teacher here. The gradient of a speed-time graph tells you the acceleration (rate of change of speed). To find this when the graph is a curve you need to draw a tangent at the point in time of interest, and find its gradient.

If you draw a tangent to the curve at t=2, you will draw a line that by my eye will go through (2,2.8) and pass through (1,1.8) and (3,3.8). That has a gradient of 1: (3.8 - 1.8) / (3-1) = 1.

cakeorwine · 14/03/2023 20:49

You need to draw a tangent to the curve as others have mentioned

The tangent basically measures the rate that the Y axis is changing compared to 1 of the X axis. In otherward, how much the speed changes per second. Which is acceleration.

cakeorwine · 14/03/2023 20:50

In other subjects, especially science ones, she will need to do tangents, often to work out the rate of reaction.

e.g temp change per second

gas produced per second

And work out when the rate slowed down.

DadDadDad · 14/03/2023 21:01

For fans of calculus (this goes a bit beyond GCSE), you can actually work out that the curve plotted in this question is speed = (9t - t^2)/5 so acceleration is (9 - 2t)/5. Put t = 2 into that and you get exactly 1.

Thisisnotmyname2022 · 14/03/2023 22:02

Thanks everyone, she said it’s helped.

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AlicesPalace · 14/03/2023 22:07

BetterBee · 14/03/2023 20:24

You need to use the blue line on the graph to make a tangent at t=2. The gradient of that line will be 1.

This is what I would do too

LemonDrizzle10 · 14/03/2023 22:42

The gradient of the blue line is -1. The gradient of the tangent to the curve is approximately perpendicular to the blue line.
The product of gradients of perpendicular lines equals -1. Therefore the gradient of the graph at 2 is +1.

Hairfriar · 14/03/2023 23:04

Either draw a tangent by eye at the point where t=2, or draw a smaller triangle under curve. How did you both get 1.5?

Ikeatears · 15/03/2023 07:25

septembersapphire7 · 14/03/2023 20:33

Forgive the poor phone edit but drawing a tangent at t=2 roughly gives a gradient of 3/3 which is 1.

as pp stated, a gradient at a specific point on the x axis on a curved graph requires a tangent to be drawn at that specific value of x (where straight line is touching the curve at that point and in same direction).

@Thisisnotmyname2022 I'm a GCSE maths tutor. This is the correct way to answer this question.

Thisisnotmyname2022 · 15/03/2023 07:46

We just did 3/2… she sees now what she should have done, it’s been a while since I’ve done something like this.

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