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Surely the current situation with regard to driving tests is unsustainable?

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lilacclementine · 13/03/2023 10:31

I know of seven people trying to book a driving test whose lives are being negatively impacted by the fact that there are no tests available. We live in London and there is NOTHING to book between now and September (last visible date) at any of the sites. Everyone has registered on the booking apps and gets nothing. I was up at 5.50 am this morning before the new slots drop at 6.00 am- nearly managed to book the only slot in London at Mill Hill at the end of August but it vanished before I could complete the booking.

-3 are apprentice plumbers who work for my cousin. He part funds their lessons as being able to drive the van to the suppliers to grab bits they need is a big part of being an apprentice. You can’t be a tradesperson without being able to drive
-1 is my neighbour. Her husband had a small stroke and was suddenly not cleared to drive- they have young children plus sick elderly parents who live a 40 min drive away (2 hours on the bus or train). She’s been desperately having lessons and is ready for her test
-2 are friends of my daughter doing A levels. They are great kids who are funding their lessons and tests themselves via part time work – the inability to book a test means that they need to keep paying for lessons they don’t need to keep themselves test ready
-1 is my daughter who I’m funding and is also ready for her test but I’m having to keep paying for lessons while we find a slot.

How can we be in a situation where no one can book a driving test? This is utterly ridiculous. How are people in rural communities managing? Those who need a car to get employment? My daughter’s instructor says that he has 20 people trying to book slots and no one has managed to book anything in the past 3 weeks. I could live with a long wait (perhaps stagger or reduce lessons etc) but the fact is you can’t even book anything even months in advance. If you get a test and then fail (which lots of people do) then its back to the drawing board for another massive wait. The theory test expires after 2 years- it’s not inconceivable that people will in fact have to pay for and resit their theory test because they’ve not been able to book an actual test.

I am baffled that this appears to be one more shit thing that we’re all just putting up with. There’s a few articles I can find complaining about this and the government are saying it’ll all get better soon- but how can it? There’s a big pandemic backlog plus our driving instructor says that it’s lies that they’ve recruited more instructors- apparently the local test centre used to have 13 testers, they’re now down to 7 and no sign of any more.

If anyone has any suggestions about how to get a test let me know. We’re on a booking app but don’t seem to have any success.

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Whitacre · 13/03/2023 13:05

It’s horrendous isn’t it. There was absolutely nothing coming up at either of our 2 closest centres when we were trying to book. We managed to get a test in Portsmouth (nowhere near us) and then got a cancellation at our nearest centre using the Testi app, but it was all very stressful.

lilacclementine · 13/03/2023 13:08

TheYearOfSmallThings · 13/03/2023 13:02

But I don't think people have to wait so long in reality?

A friend of mine was due to do her test in February (not sure what centre but she lives in Chingford) but had to cancel at a few weeks notice, and got slot in April. I also know of someone who went to Wales because they could get a slot quickly there, but that seems extreme.

We are 7 people plus the 20 on the driving instructor books all trying to book tests - we're flexible on location to a point and check regularly. All in apps. No one has been able to book anything for 2 months. There might be the odd pocket of the country where it's 2-3 months but that's the exception. Also-2-3 months is not ok.

It's just incredibly frustrating and expensive. People shouldn't have to travel miles, stay for days in unfamiliar places and hope for the best. This has been a known issue since 2021 and it's not getting any better.

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America12 · 13/03/2023 13:14

Same here so frustrating

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Whitacre · 13/03/2023 13:15

The delays are so bad, some people must end up having to retake their theory tests. It’s disgraceful really- as you say, some people are being held back in employment etc. I don’t know what can be done to put pressure on the government- write to MPs maybe? The test examiners did go on strike (over pay?) a while back- but I don’t know what the outcome was.

JamSandle · 13/03/2023 13:15

It is shit but so many people need or want to drive and there's not resource.

America12 · 13/03/2023 13:16

Overthebow · 13/03/2023 10:46

It’s always been bad but seems awful now. How can those waits be acceptable?

When I learnt to drive I booked a test early on in my lessons instead of waiting until I was ready as there were long waits. Doesn’t help those who are ready now but may help others who are just starting to learn.

I tried ti book my daughters after 6 lessons last year. Still no availability as afar as I can look.

America12 · 13/03/2023 13:18

exexpat · 13/03/2023 11:21

A young London-based relative of mine went up to stay with another family member at the other end of the country to do his test - plenty of slots available up there. He went for a few days and booked a lesson or two with a local instructor to familiarise himself with the likely routes. It sounds like London is the worst-affected place.

Where was this ?

ClivePowermax · 13/03/2023 13:18

It's worse now than last year in my area. I've already retaken my theory once.

DaisyBoop · 13/03/2023 13:18

When my son was at the point of taking his test, he waited 5 months, failed and then it was another 6 months!! He ended up taking it in another town where he only had to wait three months (and passed) Disgraceful.

America12 · 13/03/2023 13:20

TheYearOfSmallThings · 13/03/2023 13:02

But I don't think people have to wait so long in reality?

A friend of mine was due to do her test in February (not sure what centre but she lives in Chingford) but had to cancel at a few weeks notice, and got slot in April. I also know of someone who went to Wales because they could get a slot quickly there, but that seems extreme.

They do. I've been trying for months. Nothing available as far as you can look in our area or surrounds. Up to an hour

lilacclementine · 13/03/2023 13:20

ClivePowermax · 13/03/2023 13:18

It's worse now than last year in my area. I've already retaken my theory once.

That's awful. I'm so cross on your behalf.

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ClivePowermax · 13/03/2023 13:47

@lilacclementine to be fair, it's also because I am a VERY slow learner...!

BenCoopersSupportWren · 13/03/2023 13:48

Chowtime · 13/03/2023 13:00

How much do driving test examiners earn then?

On average it’ll be around £25k, slightly more in London. They’re Civil Service EO grade.

LlynTegid · 13/03/2023 13:51

It's unacceptable I agree. Assuming that extra driving examiners cannot be found in a few months, perhaps a better option would be to raise the minimum age for a licence for those who have not got one at present.

It's not only driving tests, border agency staff are seemingly in so short supply at Heathrow, they are advertising for them in north London. Where in this case, deciding now to restrict flights at Heathrow should be done.

lilacclementine · 13/03/2023 13:55

"Chowtime
How much do driving test examiners earn then?

On average it’ll be around £25k, slightly more in London. They’re Civil Service EO grade."

Goodness that's not enough to entice people, especially in London. No wonder loads left in the pandemic and didn't come back.

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Redglitter · 13/03/2023 13:59

lilacclementine · 13/03/2023 12:47

Re going further afield- DD is learning manual as her grandmother gave DD her car as she's not safe to drive anymore. However it's not test suitable. We have an automatic so she'd have to use her driving instructors car. He says he will go to any test centre up to an hour away (which is very nice of him!) but it does limit our options.

My cousin has had a lot of out of area people sit their tests in hire cars. Factoring in flights/train & hiring cars is expensive but it just shows how desperate people are

BellatrixLestrangesHeatedCurlers · 13/03/2023 14:07

It's not sustainable - you're right - but it has to be. The pandemic knocked everything out. There's no contigency plan for driving tests etc. because who would think of that when pandemic-planning? Not even the relevant areas (government) were properly prepared. Practical stuff like this just falls by the wayside.

LabradorEyes · 13/03/2023 14:28

What my son did was get a booking app and book one somewhere remote in the North. Once he had a booking code, he was able to put himself on the waiting list for a test in our town and set it to autobook. He had one within a few weeks

lilacclementine · 13/03/2023 14:37

I've just been sent a link to this reddit thread "when will booking tests be normal again ?"

There's a great explanation here, but it's depressing.

"There's a few factors playing here.

For one, there's still an enormous backlog at DVSA (it was around half a million tests waiting by the end of last year), and that has two reasons:

  • Most of the examiners either retired or quit during/immediately after the pandemic (there is a reason DVSA still trying to recruit examiners, but no one wants to do it...), and
  • DVSA pretty much ran out of money during the pandemic thanks to the furlough, and they're trying to get that money back by failing more pupils than ever (more failed test means more rebooked tests, which is more money...).

There's a fresh survey conducted by AA in which DVSA claims that passing rates hasn't really changed compared to previous years, but then again, they also claim that the problem is that more and more unprepared pupils are doing tests and are failing. It's either this or that, both statements can't be true.

That being said, the problem of unprepared pupils is a thing, but it's not that simple.
For example, driving schools and instructors raised their prices due to the cost of living crisis, and that obviously affects both parties. Instructors need more money to upkeep their cars, and pupils need more money to take lessons, but because pupils barely have enough money for themselves, insturcors income dropped significantly, so they kept raising prices, which made pupils taking less and less hours, and so on and forth.
Thanks to that and the backlog, some pupils are booking tests any time and anywhere they can find, with less and less practice, so they have a bigger chance to fail, especially if you add the factor that they're getting more and more nervous about failing their tests, because it's a nightmare to find another one, and this vicious circle just gets worst day by day.

And then there's the fact that DVSA is trying to pretty much pressure people to take lessons with their friends/family due to the instructor shortage, there's a whole campaign going on for months now with guidance for friends and family about how to teach their pupils to drive, and that makes more unprepared pupils, so you can see the pattern here.

The solution isn't that difficult, but because DVSA is absolutely thrilled by the fact that the more people fails, the more money they get, they obviously don't want to fix the problem.
There was a proposal last year to abolish the 2 weeks waiting period between tests, offering free tests in a lottery system, expanding theory test expiration dates, and be a bit more lenient on practical tests by considering the mental toll on pupils, they refused all of them because it wouldn't be safe. It is clear that DVSA can't be arsed about the backlog, the instructor shortage, the mental toll, the cost of living crisis, or basically anything led to this situation, and it won't change until the government force them to do anything, so to answer your question, it won't be back to normal in the foreseeable future. Waiting for it would be a mistake, so try to take a deep breath and do as much as you can to secure a test date and take as many lessons as you can."

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MotherOfDemonss · 13/03/2023 18:59

Think the whole system is incredibly archaic and needs to change to be honest. A single test for an hour is a shit representation of how you will drive overall. Just because you have a couple of majors in a single hour slot doesn't mean you are going to be the shittiest driver on the roads. You can usually spot multiple people who have "years experience" pulling dangerous shit just driving up to the shop and back.

It's completely unsustainable the way it is now.

lieselotte · 13/03/2023 19:30

MyriadOfTravels · 13/03/2023 12:03

What we did too is to basically book the test when ds started his driving lessons….

But don't you already need the theory test to book the practical? Or did he do it before he started lessons (that is perhaps a strategy, though as theory tests are only valid for two years, has its risks).

Where I live people sometimes ask in our local FB groups for swaps - sometimes because they don't feel ready so want a later slot say a month later than theirs. It's another option as well as the apps.

lieselotte · 13/03/2023 19:34

I am not sure whether pupils are unprepared, but I can imagine that due to the problems, there are more taking a test when they get a date, when pre-covid they would have simply postponed their test (I think you only had to wait about 3 weeks before covid). And yes you are right that they are even more nervous.

And theory tests should be valid for longer - after all there is a whole cohort of us on the roads who never had to do one - and yes, we do know the Highway Code so it's a bit ridiculous to say that extending the validity to 3 years instead of 2 would be unsafe.

lieselotte · 13/03/2023 19:37

My friend (who taught my son to drive) books tests himself, so he can move his pupils around the slots if some make faster progress than expected - or slower. And of course, he makes sure he is free for the test slots. It means he has to pay out in advance but it provides some flexibility for his pupils.

Btjdkfnn · 13/03/2023 19:42

Disgraceful.

I can’t even get lessons for my ds who has just turned 17. He has 2 friends ready to take test - if they could take their tests, my ds could have their instructor slot. The backlog is getting worse and worse. And the lack of instructors is fucking dangerous.

Dachshund · 13/03/2023 19:45

I had to retake my theory test, it ended up going out of date before I could take my practical. It’s a nightmare all over