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Only 42% consider environmental sustainability of holidays?

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EveSix · 03/03/2023 23:44

Just came across this survey at the bottom of another thread.
Is this really representative? Or is it that most people are planning rustic camping holidays in the UK so genuinely don't need to worry much about the environmental impact of their holiday?
I'm surprised. If I think about various social contexts I'm part of (colleagues, friendship circle, DCs' school, extended family etc) not many people would announce a foreign holiday involving flights without a little bit of apologetic cringeing.
Or am looking at it the wrong way around, and 42% is perhaps a big improvement on the previous decade?

Only 42% consider environmental sustainability of holidays?
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crackofdoom · 04/03/2023 20:20

The fuck is it a discussion for the "privileged". I'm a single mum on benefits and still manage to take my kids abroad, usually ferry/ camping. Cheaper than a package holiday by plane, and also better for the environment. Win/ win.

Don't try and frame concern about climate change as middle class handwringing. It's the world's poorest who will feel its effects most severely.

WaddleAway · 04/03/2023 20:24

crackofdoom · 04/03/2023 20:20

The fuck is it a discussion for the "privileged". I'm a single mum on benefits and still manage to take my kids abroad, usually ferry/ camping. Cheaper than a package holiday by plane, and also better for the environment. Win/ win.

Don't try and frame concern about climate change as middle class handwringing. It's the world's poorest who will feel its effects most severely.

Not what I meant. I meant that for many of us, we don’t have to think about the environmental effects of our flights. Because we can’t afford to take any. You said yourself… it’s cheaper to go abroad by ferry than plane.

crackofdoom · 04/03/2023 20:31

Yes, it is. I really wish people would look at the true cost of their journey though- I mean financial, not carbon emissions. They see an amazing cheap flight offer, but by the time they've taken the train to the airport/ paid for airport parking/ caught a shuttle or a taxi the other end, suddenly it's not so cheap any more, but the default assumption is that flying is always cheaper.

Last year I travelled to the S. of France from SW UK, with an Interrail pass. Out of curiosity I compared what it would have cost me to get to Bristol and fly to Nice for the same dates. It would have worked out more expensive- and without the stopover in Paris I managed too.

EveSix · 04/03/2023 20:39

Don't try and frame concern about climate change as middle class handwringing. It's the world's poorest who will feel its effects most severely.
I agree with this, Crack; it's disingenuous.

Waddle, like yours, my family live in another EU country. I can't afford to travel abroad for regular holidays, let alone to 'go home' as often as I'd like to. Because I do consider the environmental sustainability of my travels, I go home less often than I could afford to: I could probably afford to travel back every other year at a push, but choose to fly to visit my family every 4 years instead and don't fly anywhere else, but holiday in the UK. Definitely not only a concern for the well-off. Another PP suggested that the less well off can feel smug about not travelling abroad as they can't afford to anyway, and this is probably closer to the truth 😂

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EveSix · 04/03/2023 20:42

Ah, I see you've settled this already, Waddle and Crack. I see what you mean.

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Parky04 · 04/03/2023 20:43

I really don't give a shit.

Throwncrumbs · 05/03/2023 19:08

WaddleAway · 04/03/2023 19:26

Exactly this 😂. This is truly a discussion for the privileged.

I’m not privileged. Don’t drink, smoke or do anything but enjoy going on holiday, I spend my money wisely to do this. Don’t own a car either. I look for bargain holidays and cheap flights. It’s cheaper than places in the UK as well!

Crunchymum · 05/03/2023 19:20

Finally the poverty of not being able to afford a car / holidays abroad makes me look cool 😎

Had a "queen bee" type try to make me look silly a while back by mentioning my lack of car and "only one" UK holiday in the summer at a coffee morning. Thankfully another person picked up on it once the bitch mentioned us being so brave "getting a train with all the children and bags" and soon I was being congratulated on my lack of carbon footprint and how I'm singlehandedly saving the planet etc.

In all seriousness though, my decisions are not primarily driven by environmental sustainability. However I do my bit, even if it's mainly because I can't afford to fly / drive.

lieselotte · 06/03/2023 17:07

SleeplessWB · 04/03/2023 18:49

I suppose what I mean is that I decided my decision to stop flying was maybe unfair on them... They have never been on holiday abroad & I want to give them that opportunity once or twice. I am not trying to justify it, it was a decision I thought really hard about having not flown for so long for environmental reasons.

Are you in the UK? You don't need to fly to go overseas, in that case. If you are in New Zealand it's somewhat harder.

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