Question re annual leave and part time work.

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I have always worked full time hours - 37.5 across 3 days (HCP). I have just been offered a job which is 25 hours - working 8am-1pm every week day for which I’ll be paid more than my current NHS banded salary.

I am spending this weekend working out the move.
Of course I’m debating if I would want to leave the NHS first and foremost.
But one nitty gritty part which I won’t get any clarity on until Wed when I meet with their team in person, is annual leave.

I would have 12.5 days leave to take annually. As I’ll be working half days, presumably each day I take off would be counted as a half day to my annual leave allowance. I’ve asked a few friends (none in HR sadly) who say they can’t be right and one day of annual leave should equal my working day.

Now if my each working day counts as a full day of annual leave then I’ll be worse or time wise and would make the move pointless as it is time I want to reclaim more than anything.

Any idea where I would stand?
Yes I know I need to wait to hear what they say on Wednesday but equally I want to go into the conversation knowing what the general accepted view point is, along with the law.

Thanks in advance.

*who say that can’t be right

Do you know how many days of annual leave a full timer at the new organisation gets?

You will be given your annual leave in hours not days.
So if you work 5 hours a day, you take 5 hours leave

Where I am yes you would book off 0.5 of a day so you don't need to work that day.

So 12.5 days makes sense.

But make sure you only need to book 0.5 to not work that day.

Do you know how many hours annual leave you have? That should tell you whether it’s 12.5 fte days therefore giving you 25 of your days off-which seems the most likely option. Who would take a job with only 2 1/2 weeks leave?

You’ll get the same number of days annual leave as you work across 5 days. But if you converted it to hours you’d get less.
you need to ask them whether you book time off in hours or days.

As 12.5 days gives you 25 half days off.

If you work 5 days a week and exactly the same hours each day, you should be given the same amount of annual leave as a full time person (eg 25 days) and each day you are off counts as 1 day annual leave.

If.you have been told 12.5 days (and assuming this is 0.5 of a full time person) each day you take should be 0.5 of a day.

The way you are describing it is illegal as you are not getting the statutory allowance of 20 days plus 8 days so cannot be correct.

Your AL should be in hours not days

That’s really useful thanks everyone. I hadn’t realised it would be in hours, that makes a lot more sense and is similar to the system I currently work with.

I think there will be much more detail on Wednesday, it was an external recruiter who gave me the figure of 12.5 days.

Also working 25 hours is not half of full time (assuming it’s a 35 /37.5 or 40 hour working week) so you can’t just book half a day off. Your entitlement needs to either be in days (so the same as ft staff) or in hours and you book 5 hours off for a day

Thanks everyone. I feel armed with lots of questions about the details. I don’t want to make any decisions without knowing the nitty gritty.

For ref, the quoted 12.5 did not include bank holidays.

They’ll most likely give you your allowance in hours for the year as opposed to day-/ it’s much easier to calculate and keep track of.

So if a full timer on 37.5 hrs per week got 25 days per annum, that would be 187.5 hours per year.

Someone on 25 hrs would get 125 hour for the year. .

Then pro rated bank hols on top of that.

As a bare minimum you'd be entitled to 5.6 weeks worth of holidays which would be 28 of your days. Each of those 'days' would be 5 hours long. Or if done in hours it would be a minimum of 5.6 weeks x 25 hours = 140 hours

Is it 12.5 days plus bank holidays? What is a 'day' to them?

If full timers get 25 days plus 8 bank holidays then that should be what you get as you work 5 days a week too

Yes it becomes hours not days. It all works out fairly,

I agree with everyone else. It will be calculated in hours, not days. I expect the original "12.5" was the person thinking quickly in their head you are working 'half days' and that is 0.5 of a standard 25 days, but 8 - 1 daily / 25hours a week is obviously considerably more than 0.5, so it is likely to be more than that anyway.
What you need to check is the arrangements for BHs.

Bank holidays should be fine if op works the 5 days, she just gets them all off as normal.

It's when you do a partial week you need to be careful with bank holidays

Ie I work 1 day a week, say Wednesday. I get as a full time person 20 days plus 8 days bank holidays. Pro rata 28/5 to give us 5.6 days. If I want to not work on a bank holiday (say Xmas) it uses up a day of that. (If I always worked Monday I'd have to use up at least 4 to cover bank holidays which is why they say don't have Monday as your working day as it's less flexible- though in lots of jobs you could maybe work Tuesday that week anyway and avoid taking a day off)