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Ramifications of teacher lying about a training course?

137 replies

kedavra · 11/02/2023 18:26

For the past 6 months I've had the most horrendous dealings with a primary school after withdrawing my son. We have a disability discrimination tribunal next month, and have recently submitted all our evidence for the deadline.

One of the teachers has said in their statement that they have had training for the medical condition my son has.

I'm calling bullshit.

I sent a SEND7 for their response, and got a very quick response from their solicitor saying that it was a generic video so no certificate. The hospital team have confirmed that the online learning course they, and many other trusts, use is made of modules, assessments and CPD certified.

Surely this has to count as gross misconduct?

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TulipsLilacs · 11/02/2023 18:55

From what you say the teacher didn't say they are certified or qualified in it, they said they've had training in it.

Stompythedinosaur · 11/02/2023 18:56

But there will presumably be other training available? I think it will be nearly impossible to "prove" they did not do any training (and it is also very possible that they did but it wasn't good quality or the information didn't sink in).

Being honest, what are you hoping to gain here? It sounds like you are angry with the teacher and want to get them sacked as a punishment. I'm not sure that is very productive tbh.

Inkpotlover · 11/02/2023 18:57

You can train in something but not necessarily get a recognised professional qualification at the end of it.

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TulipsLilacs · 11/02/2023 18:59

Are you wanting the teacher to lose their job?

PotteringAlonggotkickedoutandhadtoreregister · 11/02/2023 18:59

I’m a teacher. I’ve done all sorts of training. I couldn’t provide a certificate for all of them (or, if I’m honest, for any of them. Even if we get them I don’t keep them).

Armadunno · 11/02/2023 19:00

Lots of courses are simply online learning videos though. We watched one last year, which was mandatory training, on autism and learning disabilities. The modules and assessments were tick box answers. If you get any wrong you just retake the test.

training to give covid vaccinations, and how to mix/draw up the various vaccines, was via video training for a lot of people.

GetTheBehind · 11/02/2023 19:00

As a pp says, saying you have had training in something doesn't mean you have to have a qualification in it. So I don't think it's gross misconduct. I think maybe if they had said they had a degree in French and got a job as a French teacher or something, that would be a sacking offence.

SequinsandStilettos · 11/02/2023 19:01

I recently received training which consisted of six modules, all delivered by youtube video links. No certification and no proof that I have even watched them but it is recorded that I have had this training.

donquixotedelamancha · 11/02/2023 19:01

Of course it isn't gross misconduct, what a silly statement.

Very, very few teachers would be given time and funding for a multi-stage, CPD-certified course about one condition.

MILLYmo0se · 11/02/2023 19:02

If they said they had 'training' they arent lying are they? If they said they were certified thats entirely different

Christmaspyjamas · 11/02/2023 19:04

I hope your son is now thriving in his new school

TidyDancer · 11/02/2023 19:04

How was their statement worded specifically in reference to this bit? If they said training then they haven't lied have they? If they'd said they were qualified you might have a point. I think it's key what word(s) was actually used.

DoesItMakeYouFeelBetter · 11/02/2023 19:06

Most cpd training for teachers is online now, usually in their own time, often at their own cost.

Mehmeh22 · 11/02/2023 19:06

Hummm....you sound very angry. Is this a typical primary school, not a school that is specialised in SEN? Was your son hurt? How was the school negligent? Not sure what you're hoping to achieve apart from a lot of expense and stress for very little gain

2bazookas · 11/02/2023 19:08

*One of the teachers has said in their statement that they have had training for the medical condition my son has.

I'm calling bullshit.*

Why don't you start by saying what you think the teacher's statement meant.

greysparkly · 11/02/2023 19:09

But they may well have done training?

Thingsthatgo · 11/02/2023 19:11

In my experience, as a teacher, we had a lot of training that were short presentations from visiting experts, and also videos made specifically to train teachers. None of them were qualifications.

LuluBlakey1 · 11/02/2023 19:12

Teachers have many different kinds of ongoing training/professional development - most of which apart from their professional qualifications to teach is not certificated, or if it is the certificate just says 'attended xxx course'. Some is but most is not. That's not to say it isn't good quality and useful; some is and some isn't.

I could write you a huge list of all the training I have attended- some professional qualifications, some statutory, much not but covering a very wide range of education areas and issues from subject specific to SEN issues, to safeguarding, governor training, teaching and learning, staff management, leadership, finance, government initiatives, behaviour management, etc. You'd have no idea from it how useful it was, the quality if it or how it affected my practice and if I have any recollection of it.

If the teacher has claimed they have a professional qualification they don't have that would be a disciplinary issue but it doesn't sound that way from what you say.

OntarioBagnet · 11/02/2023 19:12

Maybe the training wasn’t from that hospital?

Kingoftheroad · 11/02/2023 19:14

Oh for goodness sake the teacher has done/said nothing wrong. Teachers in mainstream have a terrible job now trying to manage big classes, few resources and children with acute needs.

some poor kids are in mainstream when they clearly need more specialised education. You cannot blame the schools or the overworked teachers for this.

Reindear · 11/02/2023 19:20

Most training is online now. Training and qualifications are different

JustAnotherManicNameChange · 11/02/2023 19:22

Is the training relevant to the issues you've had and was your son harmed in any way?
Was his condition not managed properly due to lack of training/knowledge?

Even so, it might not even be the teacher's fault. My old school tried to pass two videos online as acceptable diabetes training for staff, without having to bring the diabetes nurse in or any practical teaching. It wasn't until a few of us kicked off about not being comfortable to manage the condition with the little information we had that we actually received proper training. However, some staff thought it was all above board as it was organised by the school,and hoped they wouldn't have to actually deal with it.

Dottymug · 11/02/2023 19:24

They won't have a certified qualification and it doesn't sound as if they've claimed that. Training is a completely different thing and almost always involves online or after school CPD sessions. Absolutely no chance this is a gross misconduct situation.

Rodentsrock · 11/02/2023 19:55

The thing is, they're a teacher, not a medically trained person.

It's ridiculous the amount a 'teacher' has to take on these days. When would they have time to take on another qualification? They probably watched a video and got a certificate. I havent kept half of mine. Hopefully, they're in a supportive union.

Kic · 11/02/2023 20:02

I did online training on a particular medical condition. It was run by the local branch of the national charity for that particular medical condition.

I didn't get a certificate or any actual proof that I'd done so. The teacher may well not be lying.