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Do people with dyslexia get phonics?

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Googl · 29/01/2023 11:58

My DH has dyslexia, as well as his sisters and I suspect a lot of his extended family.
He doesn't get phonics at all and his spelling is appaling. He is an avid reader though and has an amazing general knowledge and an amazing memory.

Our DD (5) is reading, but her progress is not as fast as I would have expected her to. She absolutely gets phonics, knows all the digraphs and trigraphs and this is the way she learned to read. I'm always looking for signs of dyslexia and apart from her slow progress with reading she shows none. I'm more concerned about her eyes as she rubs them all the time when trying to read.

I've heard that generally people with dyslexia don't get phonics and they learn to read by memorising whole words and that's certainly true in DH's family. I know dyslexia is a spectrum and affects people in different ways, but can a person with dyslexia understand and learn to read through phonics?

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Eve · 29/01/2023 21:00

Googl · 29/01/2023 15:29

Are you referring to an optometry or dyslexia assessment? Can they assess her at at age of 5? She's only in Reception.

Dyslexia assessment - DS was picked up on very early in school as he was so bad. I think he was 7 / year 3 or so when assessed and then again at 17 for Uni funding.

Iwishiwasasilentnight · 12/12/2023 07:11

I’m dyslexic and read by sight but I was never taught using phonics. Since ‘schooling at home’ during lockdown I had to learn phonics and now I can decode a new word using phonics. Although most people use phonics at first and then learn the word by sight so the fewer new words you come across the less often you need to decode. I read regularly but it’s rare I come across a new word expect in medication!

underneaththeash · 12/12/2023 07:17

Presumably you've started with having her eyes tested by an optometrist? She may just need glasses, have a convergence problem or have dry eyes.

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underneaththeash · 12/12/2023 07:17

Oh and it's free on the NHS.

Discospacecherry · 12/12/2023 07:24

Please don't make generalisation about people with any condition / issue. It's really offensive. Hth.

itsmyp4rty · 12/12/2023 07:29

I'm not an expert at all but don't some dyslexic people find that letters tend to jump about all over the page? Could she be rubbing her eyes to try to get the letters to stay still?

Whatever the case definitely start with getting her eyes tested. Then if you can afford it start looking into dyslexia assessment. You might have to wait till she's 7 but if there's a waiting list then at least she'll be on it and you'll be able to get her tested as soon as she is 7.

cariadlet · 12/12/2023 07:34

Ylvamoon · 29/01/2023 15:26

For the 1000's time, English isn't a phonological language!!!
So, like everything else, "English Style" phonics are helpful for some pupils and difficult for others. I wouldn't put difficulty with phonics exclusively down to dyslexia.

That's patently untrue.

Written languages are either phonetic or character based.

Chinese is an example of a character based language. Each symbol represents a word. A reader coming across an unfamiliar symbol needs to guess what it could represent based on the context, ask someone or look it up.

European languages are phonetic. Each symbol or group of symbols represents a sound. A reader coming across a unfamiliar word can use their phonic knowledge to work out what sounds the letters are most likely to represent and then blend them.
Much less strain on the memory than having to memorise a symbol for each word, although fluency leads to words which are seen repeatedly being recognised rather than having to be decoded.

The misconception that the written English language isn't phonetic is because we have a complex code.

Some languages such as Spanish have a simple phonetic code where a written letter nearly always represents the same sound and where a sound is nearly always represented by the same letter.

Unsurprisingly, the rates of dyslexia among native Spanish speakers is lower than among native English speakers.

English has a complex phonic code because our history of invasion and immigration has meant that the language has been influenced by very different languages.

Anglo Saxon had Germanic roots but the Normans brought French with them. Other languages have also had an influence.

"ch" represents one sound in cherry and cheese but a different sound in words borrowed from the French such as chef or chauffeur and yet another in words derived from Greek such as chasm or school.

Flemish printers introduce the h into words like ghost and ghoul so that they looked more "correct" to people who were used to Dutch spelling.

There are countless other examples.

So English absolutely is a phonetic written language but a very complex one.

bellac11 · 12/12/2023 07:38

I was a very young reader, very fast and fluent. I work with children (not as a teacher) and so had to know that phonics became a thing as the years went by. I cannot get it at all. Im not dyslexic.

TeenDivided · 12/12/2023 07:41

bellac11 · 12/12/2023 07:38

I was a very young reader, very fast and fluent. I work with children (not as a teacher) and so had to know that phonics became a thing as the years went by. I cannot get it at all. Im not dyslexic.

How do you read new/ made up words if not with phonics then?
How did you get on with Harry Potter - quidditch, muggle etc?

MotorwayDiva · 12/12/2023 07:44

Have a Google about irlens syndrome, the eye rubbing could be due to this, my DD had this issue and trouble reading, but no issues memorising.

GMsAWinner · 12/12/2023 07:51

My DH understood phonics when DD was at school. He reads. His spelling isn't as good as mine, but to be honest my spelling is better than all his siblings (not boosting, there are things I don't know how to spell).

SarahAndQuack · 12/12/2023 17:38

Discospacecherry · 12/12/2023 07:24

Please don't make generalisation about people with any condition / issue. It's really offensive. Hth.

Oh, come on ... this clearly wasn't intended to be offensive. Dyslexia is a condition (or a spectrum of conditions, possibly) that is widely associated with difficulties with phonics. There was once a fairly influential school of thought that dyslexia was more or less defined as an inability to process in that way. The OP was clearly trying to understand what was definitive about dyslexia as a condition, which is different from generalising about it.

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