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I don't understand striking

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WrendaleCountryDogs · 27/01/2023 12:31

I really don't understand striking. If you're not happy with your pay, get another job. I work in a care home. I'm on £9.80 an hour. No, it's not enough. But its a job. Amazon are striking because they want more than £10.50 an hour for packing parcels. I earn less to keep people alive. Medication, food, personal care etc.

OP posts:
Fupoffyagrasshole · 27/01/2023 13:10

you are being ridiculous, Why are you putting up with being paid so badly? do something about it

WrendaleCountryDogs · 27/01/2023 13:30

Fupoffyagrasshole · 27/01/2023 13:10

you are being ridiculous, Why are you putting up with being paid so badly? do something about it

And where is the money going to come from? The people I care for? And how are they going to afford to pay more?
I do my job because I care. Like the NHS workers are supposed to care. It's not all about money.

OP posts:
Tiredandmore · 27/01/2023 13:34

WrendaleCountryDogs · 27/01/2023 13:30

And where is the money going to come from? The people I care for? And how are they going to afford to pay more?
I do my job because I care. Like the NHS workers are supposed to care. It's not all about money.

Like the NHS workers are supposed to care. It's not all about money.
NHS workers can't pay their ever increasing bills with the amount of care they have for patients.
They care, they also deserve a fair wage.

PinkArt · 27/01/2023 13:34

It is about the money though when nurses are relying on food banks. Caring is great but it does't pay bills, money does.

BitOutOfPractice · 27/01/2023 13:37

I really hate this race to the bottom mentality.

op I can 100% assure you that Amazon workers going on strike is not the reason care workers are so poorly paid. Or the cause.

RedHelenB · 27/01/2023 13:37

WrendaleCountryDogs · 27/01/2023 12:31

I really don't understand striking. If you're not happy with your pay, get another job. I work in a care home. I'm on £9.80 an hour. No, it's not enough. But its a job. Amazon are striking because they want more than £10.50 an hour for packing parcels. I earn less to keep people alive. Medication, food, personal care etc.

I don't understand why you don't get another job?
People strike to improve pay and conditions.

BitOutOfPractice · 27/01/2023 13:38

WrendaleCountryDogs · 27/01/2023 13:30

And where is the money going to come from? The people I care for? And how are they going to afford to pay more?
I do my job because I care. Like the NHS workers are supposed to care. It's not all about money.

I assume the money to pay Amazon workers more will come from Amazon’s enormous profits. That they pay very little tax on. Just a guess?

Whitefly · 27/01/2023 13:39

It's all about greed, especially for those higher up they get a bigger percentage salary increase.

You don't see collective strikes striking about Annexe B & pimping out service users, giving puberty blockers, safeguarding failure on maternity wards, safeguarding failures with trans age or transgender students , grooming students into ideologies, nope, no strikes or tic tocks then!

BitOutOfPractice · 27/01/2023 13:40

Amazon made £204 profit in 2021. If you worked for Amazon, are you honestly saying, op that you wouldn’t like a pay rise knowing that a quarter of a billion pounds is being paid out to shareholders in the uk company?

HoodieBell · 27/01/2023 13:40

Ask people how much they were earning in your job 15-20 years ago, it was more than you are earning now in many cases and care homes were WAY cheaper back then. They are taking advantage of you and you are defending them. You are badly paid so the higher ups can line their pockets, I think you are worth more than this even if you don't.

Lenald · 27/01/2023 13:42

WrendaleCountryDogs · 27/01/2023 12:31

I really don't understand striking. If you're not happy with your pay, get another job. I work in a care home. I'm on £9.80 an hour. No, it's not enough. But its a job. Amazon are striking because they want more than £10.50 an hour for packing parcels. I earn less to keep people alive. Medication, food, personal care etc.

Then strike.

Amazon has a turnover in the billions. We should be angry at these greedy billionaires for not paying their staff enough money to live a basic life but instead we turn on the staff who just wanted to be respected enough not to have to claim benefits and use food banks.

Lenald · 27/01/2023 13:44

WrendaleCountryDogs · 27/01/2023 13:30

And where is the money going to come from? The people I care for? And how are they going to afford to pay more?
I do my job because I care. Like the NHS workers are supposed to care. It's not all about money.

Perhaps Rishi Sunaks non dom billionaire wife who doesn’t pay taxes?

BelleSauvage9 · 27/01/2023 13:45

minou123 · 27/01/2023 13:04

So you're thought process is because you put up with getting a crap wage and poor working conditions, everyone else should. Is that it?

All the "benefits" you have, annual leave, maternity leave, sick leave contracted working hours, safe working practices, etc etc are all available to you because people in the past fought for those rights for you.

Businesses and employers didn't just wake up one day and think "I know we will treat are employees better"
Everything we have is because men and women went out on strikes, petitioned governments and fought for it.

Absolutely this

balloontrip · 27/01/2023 13:46

And where is the money going to come from? The people I care for? And how are they going to afford to pay more?

Is that your basis for being anti strike?

I do my job because I care. Like the NHS workers are supposed to care. It's not all about money.

Please. You do your job because you need to eat. Your lack of ambition isn't shared.

noblegiraffe · 27/01/2023 13:48

Do you have a much better paid husband to help you cope with your pittance of a wage?

I think it’s easier to justify working for extremely low wages if propped up by another income, or have no children.

minou123 · 27/01/2023 13:48

WrendaleCountryDogs · 27/01/2023 13:30

And where is the money going to come from? The people I care for? And how are they going to afford to pay more?
I do my job because I care. Like the NHS workers are supposed to care. It's not all about money.

If its not all about the money, then why don't you work for free?

I mean, if you want to claim moral superiority that you do your job because you care about the people you look after, yet NHS are inferior to you because they are asking for a decent wage, then you should tell them not to pay you.

See how silly your argument is?

Soubriquet · 27/01/2023 13:50

WrendaleCountryDogs · 27/01/2023 13:30

And where is the money going to come from? The people I care for? And how are they going to afford to pay more?
I do my job because I care. Like the NHS workers are supposed to care. It's not all about money.

So with gas prices rising, electric rising, food costs rising and just about everything else is going up, you’re going to struggle to pay all your bills.

Are you then not going to request a raise?

Just because you care for the job, doesn’t mean you can’t afford to live

Whitefly · 27/01/2023 13:50

Ask people how much they were earning in your job 15-20 years ago, it was more than you are earning now in many cases and care homes were WAY cheaper back then.

Nobody in work was on tax credits and claiming befits, then cheap labour came into the UK and bigotgate happened.

VivaVivaa · 27/01/2023 13:50

I do my job because I care. Like the NHS workers are supposed to care. It's not all about money

Also an NHS worker. Unsurprisingly, my mortgage lender laughed me out of the building when I tried to pay in care.

BIWI · 27/01/2023 13:54

Withdrawing labour - i.e. striking - is often the only power that workers have over their bosses.

And it's not just about money. It's about better working conditions and benefits, as well as pay.

I AS your name, and saw that you had 3 weeks off work recently. You will - I sincerely hope! - have been paid when you were off, with sick pay. Without unionised labour (which may well have meant strikes) you would not have had that benefit.

Don't be fooled thinking that the government has no money to increase NHS or teachers' wages. They choose not to do that.

Similarly private companies/enterprises, in our capitalist system, are rewarded by the profits they make. Not by how well rewarded their workers are.

You are being very naive and, dare I say, ignorant about pretending not understand striking.

As PP have said, it's not a race to the bottom. It's also not 'dog eat dog' which is what posts like yours end up being - I don't earn much so neither should you. It's 'virtue signalling' of the worst kind.

You're also being ridiculous when you say people should just get another job if theirs doesn't pay enough. I'm sure you know that though ... Hmm

beguilingeyes · 27/01/2023 13:56

Jeff Bezos is the second richest man in the world . He's worth 123 billion and he can't pay his workers properly? And they're treated like slaves..everything is timed. It's disgusting.
Every year people are getting below inflation pay-rises and everything is going up. When does it end? If working people can't afford somewhere to live and food and warmth something is seriously wrong with the system.
My dad worked in a factory. He bought a house and raised two kids on one wage. Can you imagine doing that now?
Meanwhile the CEOs and directors earn more and more. Something has to give.
In the 70s the highest paid of the average company earned 21 times more than the lowest paid...today it's something like 360 times. They're taking us all for mugs. We should all be on strike..or take to the streets like the French.
Meanwhile the people running the country think that paying tax is for the little people.

Whyarewehardofthinking · 27/01/2023 13:56

WrendaleCountryDogs · 27/01/2023 13:30

And where is the money going to come from? The people I care for? And how are they going to afford to pay more?
I do my job because I care. Like the NHS workers are supposed to care. It's not all about money.

This just demonstrates that you do jot jnderstnad the issue nor the size of the problem.

Those striking are doing ao because they care. Because each profession is suffering so much of a recruitment crisis that they cannot attract staff, and the experienced ones leave (and the newly qualified to be honest). Those that are left are striking because if something doesn't change very soon we will have no staff in these positions. So no nurses, paramedics, teachers... can't you imagine the consequences of that?

I am a teacher. I am paid reasonably well but not for the hours I work. My pay is worth (in terms of inflations) around 76% of what it was in 2008. This, combined with the working conditions, means many graduates are simply not attracted to the profession and we need to do something now.

I sat in a meeting last night with the head and all of the Heads of Department. All departments now have at least one supply teacher. 2 are due to long term sickness, rhe rest are because staff left and when we advertised either no-one applied, or the one or 2 applications that we received were frankly not good enough for our students. They taught an interview lesson which was factually incorrect.

We do not have enough to teach your children. The education system is failing your children.

We do not have enough nurses, midwives, paramedics to care for you. The health service is failing it's patients.

Striking is quite honestly the only thing we have left. If the government do not intervene and properly support these professions and services we are totally and utterly fucked.

Whyarewehardofthinking · 27/01/2023 13:57

Sorry for the fat fingers at the start of that, too many typos 😅

ItsCalledAConversation · 27/01/2023 13:58

Some people feel called to take action, stand up and effect change in the system. They see their own role as a cog in a system and can conceptualise that change needs to be made higher up in the system for there to be a positive personal change for them.

You don’t, you’re happy with your job and pay and you don’t need or want to change the system. That’s fine, you do you.

BIWI · 27/01/2023 14:00

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