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Dd9 suspect ASD - could do with some opinions!

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terriblepotato · 22/01/2023 12:19

I posted this over in the SN section but not had any responses. Would love some help if possible (sorry it’s long!).

My dd has just turned 9. She is lovely, very bright and doing well at school, but a recent incident has pushed me to wonder if I should pursue a diagnosis/extra support.

Her teacher left me a message a couple of days ago saying she was quite emotional/upset at school this week and wanted to know if she had mentioned anything to us. He said he had spoken to her and she said about her friends ‘looking at her funny’ and raising their voices at her. This is something she had been upset about after school earlier in the week, and she often tells me she thinks everyone hates her. This was mentioned by her teacher back in year 2 who said they thought she had some problems misinterpreting social cues, as she often thought her peers and teachers were mad at her/unhappy when nothing was wrong. They said they would try and get some extra support for her but it never really went anywhere. She’s now in Y4.

I didn’t get to speak to her teacher as I’ve been working late but I’ve emailed and basically explained that I suspect she has some neurodiverse behaviours (sorry if that’s the wrong term) and I assume she masks very well at school. I’m worried that he’s going to brush me off as an overbearing/anxious mother and say her behaviour is just normal 9 year old stuff but I’m not sure… I have suspected this for a very long time and did actually go to the GP when she was very small and the doctor was very dismissive.

The following are behaviours which I don’t think are neurotypical so would love to hear what others with more experience with ASD think.

  • Dd was a late walker (20 months) and always had some sensory issues around uneven surfaces. For example, even when she was a toddler we couldn’t go to soft play as she would freak out at the squishy floor underneath her feet. She still hates uneven surfaces or anything which makes her feel unsteady. Terrified of escalators and struggles with stairs (has to hold on for dear life to the hand rail). Has only just started to use the slide and swings at the park but does panic if it’s too high/goes too fast.
  • Very sensitive to noise. She really struggles with unexpected noises. I’ve never been able to use hand driers in toilets for example. She panics if a noisy motorbike goes past and will slam her hands over her ears. If the fire alarm goes off at school she gets distressed and cries. Many more examples but you get the idea.
  • Sensory issues around clothing and how things feel. I have to cut the labels off all her clothes and there’s certain things she won’t wear at all. Really panics if her hair is wet after going in the bath and it touches her skin, for example.
  • very sensitive to smells. Will refuse to go somewhere or have to leave it somewhere smells ‘bad’ to her. We had this earlier in a cafe which smelled slightly of fried food and she had a bit of a meltdown because she found it so disgusting and we had to go elsewhere
  • She’s a very fussy eater compared to her friends. I have a friend whose son is autistic and his diet is way more limited than dd’s so she’s not too bad, but she does eat the same few things repeatedly. Often she will eat something she usually likes and decide it’s not ‘right’ even though it’s exactly the same as usual and refuse to ever touch it again.
  • She has always been a terrible sleeper since being a baby. Will often still wake in the night and has to be patted to sleep by a parent
  • She can be very anxious. This seems to be bad for a while then get better again, so comes in waves. Was particularly bad during covid times but we worked through a lot of stuff with the help of a book which was recommended to me on here at the time. She is still an anxious worrier but it has been worse than she is currently
  • She doesn’t react well to plans changing, and needs to know every fine detail if we do something. I’ve got into the habit now of talking her through every plan we have, where we are going, who we will see, what they will say etc, as it relieves her stress and anxiety somewhat
  • She’s very much a homebody and would happily not leave the house for days if I let her. She loves to ‘chill’ and have a lot of downtime which seems very different to how her friends are
  • Related to the above, she’s exhausted all the time. So she will go to school and just be so tired every day and need to spend time alone not doing much to recharge herself. Even when she’s going through a period of sleeping through the night, she’s shattered all the time. She wouldn’t cope well with doing more than one activity in the day, for example. So an hour or so trip into town to run some errands would mean she would struggle doing much else outside of the house that day
  • She’s a stickler for the rules and is completely incensed if someone isn’t doing something ‘right.’ She doesn’t understand that someone wouldn’t follow the rules and often gets caught up in trying to tell people they aren’t doing things the right way
  • She’s very sensitive in general and very empathetic, especially struggles when her friends are upset or hurt
  • Very much a perfectionist and gets extremely frustrated when things aren’t perfect
  • I’ve picked up on this a lot more recently as it can be quite subtle but she constantly interrupts when you’re speaking to someone. She’s generally quite mature and has a good understanding but can’t seem to grasp when she should speak during a conversation etc
  • Her ‘play’ for quite a few years has involved setting up or sorting out toys but not traditionally playing with them. She has a desk and loves organising her things, or setting up scenes with her teddies, setting up a dolls house when she was smaller but never going beyond that. I joke that her dream job would be to set up the fake rooms at IKEA!
  • I’ve only just learnt this can be a trait in girls, but she is obsessively attached to her teddies. She has tonnes of them and her most special ones are precious to the extreme. I often think she really does believe they are real living things. It seems to be getting more intense as she gets older. She loves teddies and would have the house full to the brim of them if I allowed.
  • She has an incredible memory which really does amaze me sometimes. Her dad is the same (I do suspect he is ASD too). Not sure if this really is a trait or not?
  • She’s often very literal but on the other hand she has a great sense of humour and understanding of jokes
  • I’ve only just realised this but when she’s happy she does what I think may be some sort of stimming. She jumps up and down and flaps her hands a bit when she’s excited (way more than I’d expect a 9 year old to do), and I can tell when she’s really happy because she will sing constantly

Those are most of what I can think of at the minute, but on the other hand she finds it easy to make friends, is very popular at school and interacts well with her classmates. She’s very academic, is a brilliant story writer and has a great imagination. No problems with making eye contact etc, so a lot of the more obvious signs when I’ve read about ASD aren’t there. But when I’ve researched more into girls with ASD I think she ticks a lot of boxes. She gets on fine in life, but I’ve been reading a lot about girls with ASD getting to secondary school and really struggling, particularly with anxiety, so I’m thinking if there is something there it’s worth getting support earlier rather than later?

Again, I am sorry it’s very long and thank you to anyone who manages to read it all. I do think her teacher will brush it off, but I’m keen to help her as much as I can. Any advice would be massively appreciated!

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terriblepotato · 24/01/2023 17:43

PragmaticWench · 24/01/2023 03:05

She sounds SO like my DD, you've put together a very good list of all the subtle traits which aren't always easy to define. My DD is 10 and we've just started the assessment process with a paediatric consultant for ASD, although I also suspect ADHD.

I have been really unsure of when and how to explain the assessment to DD. We were seeing the consultant for DD's Tourettes (already formally diagnosed) and the consultant said they suspected ASD. I wasn't sure how to explain it to DD so have said that the doctors are interested in how her brain works, what makes her who she is, and that they will ask her lots of random questions.

DD asked me tonight how you're supposed to know when to make eye contact with people and that she finds it hard. Your comment about your DD making eye contact struck a chord, I asked on here recently if it was usual for a child with ASD to make more eye contact with their parents than with other adults. DD said tonight that she finds eye contact with children easier but much harder with adults 'as they expect her to understand the eye-contact rules'.

Regarding the audio issues, take a look at Flare ear buds. DD struggles with classroom noise/cinema etc. and Flare have tiny, children's ear buds that don't block the noise but channel it to reduce the impact. DD also has ear defenders for very noisy places like the pantomime (and seems to not give a care that she might look 'odd').

Thanks for this - funnel enough I bought her some of the Flare ear buds last week but they are TINY! I am scared for her to use them as I know they will get lost immediately 😄I should have bought the ones which are connected together but I thought it would irritate her being around the back of her neck. I'm going to get her to give them a try for school one day this week. She does have ear defenders but has refused to wear them for the past few years as she doesn't want people to see her with them on.

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terriblepotato · 24/01/2023 17:45

Just another thanks again to everyone who has contributed. Sorry, it's difficult to reply to every person but it's been a huge help and great to hear lots of positive stories.

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absolutelyknackeredcow · 24/01/2023 19:55

We got our eldest DD privately assessed at 11. It is still the only time that I have used private healthcare and it was £2k.
She massively masks at school and is highly academic. She really let go at home and her behaviour was really challenging - I think spending all the time with her during Covid made us realise how difficult life was for her.
We spoke to her at the start of the assessment - said we suspected that she had ASC and gave her lots of positive examples of people like Greta Thunberg and Actors that have also been public about ASC. We simply framed that these people were brilliant but struggled with certain things and needed some support from
Time to time.
We spoke to her at diagnosis with the people who had done diagnosis and gave her some books for her to read. She has an affinity with cats so 'the cats are on the autism spectrum ' book was a huge hit.
It's been life changing for her and us - we manage her behaviour loads better and school transition to secondary was managed with care. She is thriving

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eatdrinkandbemerry · 24/01/2023 20:17

Your daughter sounds very much like mine although mine is a work avoider at school and likes to disappear into the background.
She is currently on the waiting list for an asd assessment.

SignOnTheWindow · 24/01/2023 20:23

terriblepotato · 23/01/2023 22:47

For those who have had children assessed when older, did you speak to your child about it at all? I’m going to try and arrange a meeting with her teacher, and have looked into private assessment (specifically Lorna Wing Centre to the tune of £3k 😳May have to save up for a year first!) .

If we did go down that route, at what point would you speak to your child about it?

Yes - I explained that it might help her understand why she found certain things more difficult - and other things easier - than her school peers. It also explained why her neurotypical peers were so irrational, unempathetic, and concerned with fitting in. It wasn't their fault - they were just neurotypical 😁.
The assessment centre was great. Very positive about her and the diagnosis.

I'd recommend books on autism in girls and women by Tony Attwood and/or Michelle Garnett.

You might already know this, but the heroine of the Geek Girl series (popular tween books) is autistic. The author, Holly Smale, based the character on herself. She only realised as an adult that she was autistic after loads of fans recognised the traits in her protagonist! Maybe it's something your daughter would enjoy?

ClearRunning · 24/01/2023 20:29

It also explained why her neurotypical peers were so irrational, unempathetic, and concerned with fitting in. It wasn't their fault - they were just neurotypical 😁.

😂

Singleandproud · 31/01/2023 15:45

I had DDs initial consultation, was meant to be an hour but the clinician stopped me after 30 minutes as she had enough information to recommend taking it forward to a full diagnosis.

I prepared before hand and typed up all of the things I'd picked up over the years and pinged that to the clinician just before we started. It really helped me think about all the little things

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