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Why does everyone install wood burners knowing how terrible they are for the environment?

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Don'tcallthepolice · 22/01/2023 09:35

Just this

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crosspusscrossstitcher · 23/01/2023 15:41

The same reason that people buy diesel cars, eat meat or own a dog.

Because they can.

LibertyLily · 23/01/2023 15:52

Badbudgeter · 22/01/2023 09:44

I live in an old building. Think 3ft stone walls from 1750s in oldest bits. I have added internal solid wall insulation and double glazing. Insulation in the loft. The fabric of the building needs to be heated through and I use two log burners. Other wise chimney breast gets damp. One was in situ and I installed one as it’s better than an open fire.

old building are designed to be heated by fires.

They are also very handy during the annual power cut to stop us all from freezing to death.

Same here.

We live very rurally in an extremely old, smallish detached property with thick stone walls. We have also added insulation where possible, some double glazing and have thick, interlined curtains.

No gas in the area although we do have oil but find it's far more affordable to use our own supply of seasoned timber in our two wood burners that comply with all the latest regulations. Because of the cost of oil we've only used our central heating once this winter and without the wood burners we'd freeze.

LibertyLily · 23/01/2023 15:57

Posted too soon...

To save on heating costs/preserve wood supplies during the day (as we won't light a wood burner till my OH gets home from the office), I'm currently in bed with my work. I have a 13.5 tog duvet, fleece blanket and additional throw, am fully dressed (including fingerless gloves) and have a hot water bottle strapped to me. I'm just about toasty!

Swimmingpoolsally · 23/01/2023 17:18

I’ve already been blue lighted to hospital once from the smoke and fumes entering my house

wow. That’s horrendous, but with a house so draughty this can occur , it must be impossible to heat. If smoke and fumes can come in to the huge extent you’re hospitalised, the warm air must go out at rhe same rate

how are the neighbours. Even the healthiest person couldn’t cope in what you’re describing, I assume they are also hospitalised but much more regularly?

QuinionsRainbow · 23/01/2023 17:30

passiveaggressivenonsense · 22/01/2023 18:07

Because if the Elecy goes off and there's no gas you can keep warm and boil a kettle. That degree of independence is an insurance in Tory Britain.

That's precisely why we got one when our children were young. As well as boiling kettles, you can heat soup, make toast, bake potatoes and even fry eggs/bacon/sausages on the top! It's called self sufficiency and survival.

Patineur · 24/01/2023 00:46

Throwncrumbs · 23/01/2023 10:02

I think people think ‘aww it’s lovely and cosy and looks pretty’ it just reminds me of growing up in the early 60s in smog covered London, everyone coughing, dying of lung disease and just grimness really. Hopefully all theses people who don’t remember these times and think it’s a good idea to pollute the environment get the same lung problems. They should be banned in citys!

I grew up in London in the 60s and never saw any smog.

watchfulwishes · 24/01/2023 06:30

Patineur · 24/01/2023 00:46

I grew up in London in the 60s and never saw any smog.

Might just be your memory, it was definitely there. Less than before as the Clean Air Act was 1956.

Government asked people not to light stoves yesterday due to the smog issue.

watchfulwishes · 24/01/2023 06:33

Example 1960s London smog event
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1962_London_smog

Delatron · 24/01/2023 07:44

I didn’t live in London and I wasn’t alive in the 60s and I still know there were huge problems with smog around then.

SweetSakura · 24/01/2023 07:51

Patineur · 24/01/2023 00:46

I grew up in London in the 60s and never saw any smog.

I think your memory might be a bit foggy Grin

It was a massive public health issue

SquashPenguin · 24/01/2023 07:54

Likely to end up outlawed in a few years anyway.

Daftasabroom · 24/01/2023 08:12

Delatron · 24/01/2023 07:44

I didn’t live in London and I wasn’t alive in the 60s and I still know there were huge problems with smog around then.

Most people had multiple coal fires that were really inefficient. Most power generation was from coal, again really polluting. Burning coal is just about the worst thing for the environment. I firmly believe woodburners should be banned from urban and suburban areas but they really can not be compared to woodburners.

Patineur · 24/01/2023 08:19

watchfulwishes · 24/01/2023 06:33

Example 1960s London smog event
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1962_London_smog

And that was the last big smog event. London just wasn't covered with smog throughout the 60s as the poster suggested.

People talking about smog being a regular problem in London are talking about the 50s and earlier.

Beebumble2 · 24/01/2023 11:54

I grew up in London during the 60s and the pollution wasn’t only from the coal fires, but also from the factories that were everywhere. London was an industrial city in those days, most areas would have small manufacturing industries in the back streets, where if the machines weren’t driven by coal/ diesel fulled generators then there would be some sort of coal coiled for heat.
London Transport busses were run on diesel and if you lived near a bus depot ( most areas had one) then the diesel fumes hung in the air.
I lived in Birmingham for a short time in the 70s and the pollution was just as bad then.

Beebumble2 · 24/01/2023 11:55

Fuelled boiler

moonbows · 24/01/2023 12:00

Am astonished by people saying ‘well it’s never hurt my health’. Don’t you understand that these are slow cumulative health consequences, that usually hit later in life?!

They look pretty
they are essential for a few (w no other heating)
but in villages and town and cities they are just so so selfish.

(Almost all) folks who have them need to own up to being selfish and sit w that!

moonbows · 24/01/2023 12:02

I really really mind them on the canal boats near us. The canal is one of the few peaceful car free places we have, and it’s made repulsive by solid fuel burning and generator use. And yes, there are now lots of electric hookups. This isn’t essential!

Astralitzia · 24/01/2023 12:07

moonbows · 24/01/2023 12:00

Am astonished by people saying ‘well it’s never hurt my health’. Don’t you understand that these are slow cumulative health consequences, that usually hit later in life?!

They look pretty
they are essential for a few (w no other heating)
but in villages and town and cities they are just so so selfish.

(Almost all) folks who have them need to own up to being selfish and sit w that!

You realise that's true of most things, right? The food and drink we eat, how much we drive, where we live, the medication we take throughout life, how much we exercise etc.

No-one lives forever. And as I said in a previous post, I'd rather die at 75 having lived a comfortable warm life than live til 95 freezing my tits off.

Delatron · 24/01/2023 14:04

I need to drive. Therefore that’s a calculated risk.

The fact that unseen particles can build up inside you and cause lung damage means I don’t NEED a log burner. Or want to risk that for my children. Even the hint of a risk for something that is not a necessity.

It’s not the same as eating the odd bacon sandwich.

I understand if you can’t afford heating it’s more of a balanced risk. But the pretty/cosy argument doesn’t stand up.

DillDanding · 24/01/2023 14:13

I was in our local stove supplier’s showroom on Sat, buying natural fire lighters. The manager was chatting to me and said they’re having the busiest winter they’ve ever had for new stoves and installations. Definitely connected to cost of gas/electricity.

Beebumble2 · 24/01/2023 14:15

Delatron using a tumble drier releases microplastics into the atmosphere and our bodies. I imagine there’s more tumble driers in use in houses than wood burning stoves.

MintJulia · 24/01/2023 14:24

DillDanding · 24/01/2023 14:13

I was in our local stove supplier’s showroom on Sat, buying natural fire lighters. The manager was chatting to me and said they’re having the busiest winter they’ve ever had for new stoves and installations. Definitely connected to cost of gas/electricity.

Also the chance of power cuts. If there is no electricity, then most people's central heating boilers won't work, leaving them without heat any heat.

My log burner provides heat, a way to heat a meal and boil water.

Delatron · 24/01/2023 15:12

Beebumble2 · 24/01/2023 14:15

Delatron using a tumble drier releases microplastics into the atmosphere and our bodies. I imagine there’s more tumble driers in use in houses than wood burning stoves.

I don’t sit in front of a tumble dryer for hours in the same room as it…

howaboutchocolate · 24/01/2023 15:15

Delatron · 24/01/2023 15:12

I don’t sit in front of a tumble dryer for hours in the same room as it…

No but you are releasing microplastics into the atmosphere and water system which can adversely affect the environment and other people's health.
So is everyone who doesn't use ecological detergents and is happily flushing harsh chemicals down their toilet and drains.
Is that not also selfish?

Oakbeam · 24/01/2023 15:22

And yes, there are now lots of electric hookups. This isn’t essential!

Neither are foreign holidays. Do you do those?