Pees 3/4 times a night

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My grandson is 5 . When he is with my daughter he wees his bed at least 3/4 times a night. Even with a pull up or nappy he's still completely soaking thorough all the sheets . And it's really stressing my daughter out as there's so much washing it's also trying to get it dry.

When at my house he has one small drink at bedtime and is always dry . Dd said she has started to do this at her place and well but he's still soaking his bed 3/4 times.

I have just been thinking about why the big difference. The only thing I can think of is he's having loads of drink after school leading up to bedtime. He does drink alot but not so much when with me . And I'm thinking maybe it's because he's busy here. He has his 2 uncles to play with who are 6,7. So maybe he's to busy to think about drink.

I did ask him why do you do wee at home in your bed but you don't at nana house. He said because I want to.

Daughter said when he has juice he seens to drink it faster . But water he seems to sip more . So I'm thinking to suggest to dd to make every other drink water so that may slow him down a bit.

Things to bare in mind are possible special needs . Think it may be possible that he masks at my house. But he gives dd a really hard time.

So just looking for some ideas dd could try

Is there something going on at home that affects him, that makes him wet the bed ?

No that I know off. Its not like he was dry then started weeing . It's something hes always done

It's possible it's the juice thing, it's tastier than water. If your daughter 'runs out' of juice for a couple of days and he just has water, that will be a way to test it.

I suggest DD starts making her son help to change the bed every time she needs to, so he sees the consequences of weeing in it because he wants to. He can obviously hold it all night at yours so it's not a case of waking up and not wanting to go to the toilet by himself in the dark. It seems as if he's making the choice to wee in bed.

Do you think he's deliberately weeing in the bed? Is he taking his pull up/nappy off or weeing out the side? Is it an attention seeking thing? It seems it might be if he's fine when with you.

If he's weeing enough to soak through a pull up 3/4 times a night I'd take him to see a doctor, that's not right. Obviously, make sure he has the biggest size pull-up on too.

When he says because I want to. I'm not 100% sure if he's using the right words because he's always telling people they are rude. For things like putting his socks on. Or asking him to sit down on the bus or saying quickly we need to cross the road . He will start crying and say we are being rude to him. But sometimes he does know what word to use so it's hard to know. But equally he could well be messing about and knows exactly what he's saying.

He will also just lay in his wee bed /blanket and not seem bothered by it at all.

I don't think its deliberately. I don't know if a child would think at 2,3,4 am I'm gonna wee my bed to get attention. He does not pull it off . Dd was usibg size 5 or 6 nappys. Bit decided to give dry nights a go so she got age 5 . We thought msune if she got a good branded make and since they up quite older in age maybe they will work . But he's soiling through them as well.

If he is drinking and weeing so much has diabetes been ruled out?

Surely the big difference is that he drinks less at yours? Exactly how much is he drinking per day?

Can he be 'filled up' before school, during school and up to teatime, then no more drinks after tea? I agree that mum should run out of juice for a couple of days.

If he really is that thirsty he should see a gp urgently - needing to drink so much that he wets the bed SO much overnight could be a major red flag.

*it's not unusual for children to not be dry at night at 5. But it IS unusual for them to be SO wet, so frequently.

No not thought of that . But then Also it does not happen at my house. They have not mentioned that he over drinks at school either

My DD has SEN and wet the bed until she was 14. The cure for her was an alarm to wake her. Does he get up in the night to pee at yours? Just wondering if he sleeps a bit lighter - unfamiliar bed etc?

I don't know how much his drinking at his mums but it seems to be alot. Dd is always moaning about it. He does not overly ask here all I can think is its more busy here so maybe he's not thinking about it so much .

I don't think she will stop his drinks from teatime. But im going to definitely tell her to give him water only. See how that gos.

And yes my own son was not dry until 7 but he was not soaking thorough

Perhaps he feels comfortable peeing the bed at home but feels he shouldn't at yours OP, might be he just can't be bothered to get up at home. Perhaps a little reward scheme at home would help plus a limited juice intake and more water.

He should not be drinking juice, except for possibly 1 glass in the morning. Only water.

“Avoid fizzy drinks and those that contain caffeine such as hot chocolate, tea, coffee and citrus drinks such as orange juice and squash. These can cause bladder irritation and mean that more urine is produced. Ensure your child's last drink is at least 1.5 hours before they go to sleep.”

Sorry - missed the link:

www.berkshirehealthcare.nhs.uk/media/33429564/bedwetting-patient-information-sheet.pdf

I don't think she will stop his drinks from teatime.

Then she's making a rod for her own back. It sounds like he's drinking to excess, especially in the evening. What goes in must come out. There is literally no point starting any sort of reward scheme if she's not going to try altering his drinking pattern. I'm not saying to make him genuinely dehydrated but a bored kid with free and Liberal access to sweet juice drinks isn't going to refuse, and at 5 his bladder can't hold that much. Ensure he drinks more before school and during the day, cut it way back after tea.

Is it just your DD and DGS in the house. No other boyfriends or people DGS is uncomfortable with?

Does he drink blackcurrant squash at home? Apparently that can make a difference.

It sounds really clear, that he seems to be drinking too much at home. At yours, he's dry, but at home he wet the bed completely soaking. Maybe other factor might be affecting as well, but if he's wetting so much that the nappy cannot hold, he must be drinking excessively.

Is there anyone else in DD house? Has she recently had another baby? Just wondering if he's doing it for attention?

She has a boyfriend but she's been seeing him around 2 years. So that's not new. But also he's never been dry at night so it's not like he was dry she met someone then he starting weeing the bed.

But I also think shes part of the problem. I think shes basically moaning at me (alot) she getting stressed and frustrated. Rants at me like mad. Then she does nothing about it. Even when she witness him being completely dry when at my house also when she has stayed over with him.

He probably doesn't sleep as deeply at your house so he'll be more likely to wake up if he needs to wee.

There's some excellent advice on the ERIC website which you could point your daughter at.

My eldest was still wetting the bed at 5 and - following the ERIC advice- we used a bed wetting alarm which worked within a fortnight. He's still dry a year later.

You can get the alarms 2nd hand which saves a bit of money (and can sell on once it's done its job)

I'm not sure about the sleeping deeply. He wakes up though the night at dd house. But sleeps through the night at my house. But he does share a room with my 2 youngest maybe that makes a difference

Will look at the ERIC advice thank you.

I do think 5 year olds not being dry at night cones under the norm. I think its more of how wet he is .