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What can councils & LL's do about tenants who don't adequately heat/ventilate their home so mould grows?

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StarInTheHeavens · 14/01/2023 12:18

I saw another story in the news of a terribly mouldy house, but it'd been inspected and it was lack of use of heating & inadequate ventilation that caused it. Landlords get a lot of blame but it's not always their fault. Energy is super expensive right now and who wants their windows open when it's cold and they have young dc? Is there another way round this?

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Iam4eels · 14/01/2023 14:43

PIV systems really are game changing and I think the government should make the fitting of these a requirement in all rented properties and new builds as they're very effective, they could give incentives for this such as no VAT on them.

Simply living in a house in going to cause condensation unless people can figure out a way to prevent tenants breathing while indoors. Yes, they need to heat and vent properly but landlords also have a responsibility too. Properties should have PUV, windows should have vents, airbricks should be clear/functional, extractor fans should be considered in problem areas (e.g., kitchen on a side of the house that never gets the sun so never warms up), cavity walls should be inngood cindition and not 'bridged', heating system should be in good working order with adequately sized radiators, insulation should meet minimum standards, and so on.

It shouldn't be a question of one blaming the other, each has a responsibility and it should be a partnership.

limitedperiodonly · 14/01/2023 14:57

@StarInTheHeavens I prefer to think that you have not read all the facts and are inadvertently peddling a lie about the entirely avoidable death of two-year-old Awaab Ishak.

That's because I wouldn't like to think you or anyone else on this thread was deliberately misleading people. I'm sure you would hate to cause any more distress to the parents over the entirely avoidable death of their two-year-old son.

Awaab Ishak's parents were from Sudan and lived in a flat rented by Rochdale Boroughwide Housing.

The parents made repeated complaints about the mould which, if you've seen the state of the place - I guess you have taken the trouble to look at the pictures - was revolting. I cannot imagine keeping an animal in there.

Yet the housing officials took the view that Awaab's parents were not ventilating the place by opening the windows and it has been suggested they thought this because the parents were Sudanese.

There was no real reason for them to think this. Many people from all cultural backgrounds live in homes that are poorly ventilated and keep windows closed to keep the cold out and bills down. I am one of them. But I am white and middle class and if I was a private renter you can bet your life I would complain like hell. But I own my house and despite my habits don't have mould like that or any mould at all, actually.

That leads me to suspect there might have been a greater problem with that flat than not opening the windows and keeping it heated. The coroner certainly thought so and now so do housing secretary Michael Gove and health secretary Steve Barclay who have promised to make it a priority to look into why this happened. Government ministers don't usually do things unless they think there is a bit of a problem.

As a landlord, particularly a social housing one, Rochdale should have taken vigorous steps to make them aware of the problem. They didn't. I'm not sure there was a language barrier. I'm not sure Rochdale did because they don't appear to have spoken to the Ishaks that much. They washed their hands of them. I bet the Ishak family wished it was that simple.

Like I said, I don't know whether they mistakenly thought this was what all African people do or it was because they were lazy and didn't want to do their jobs. I'm sure someone will get to the bottom of it now a coroner and two secretaries of state are on the case.

It's a bit like landlords in the '50s and earlier who didn't want to put in baths for white working class people because it was assumed they'd just keep the coal in it. Again, maybe they believed that of their fellow human beings or maybe it suited them to circulate that myth because they were tightfisted and couldn't be arsed.

Or in other words - bad landlords.

At the very least people in private rented accommodation - I believe this flat fell under that - should be able to go to the Housing Ombudsman. The coroner has made that one of the firm suggestions from this terrible case of a two-year-old dying of an entirely preventable illness.

I think that would be a good idea, don't you? I don't think it will make a great deal of difference because this government have brought in no-fault evictions to make it easier for landlords to rid themselves of troublesome tenants. But it's the thought that counts.

Disclaimer: I'm not a landlord so I'm not up to speed with the law but I believe that is broadly the case and if not I'm sure someone who knows will correct me.

There are thousands of good landlords but Rochdale fell quite a way short of best practice as the coroner pointed out at Awaab's inquest.

If I was a landlord I certainly wouldn't want to defend them. Would you? Would anyone else here who has condemned this poor family without even bothering to look up the facts?

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