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I have been using this word wrongly

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puppydisaster · 09/01/2023 09:56

For my whole adult life I thought "sanguine" meant laid-back, chilled out, resigned to what fate would dole out.

As in "I used to get stressed about exams but I'm more sanguine now I'm older".

I found out this week that "sanguine" means optimistic! So obviously the above sentence still makes sense but not how I intended it.

What on earth is the word I want to use?

OP posts:
fdgdfgdfgdfg · 09/01/2023 14:20

Huh, I thought it meant laid back too. If there's that many of us getting it wrong, then surely we're actually in the right!

NanFlanders · 09/01/2023 14:23

Ha! I thought exactly the same as you, OP. Every day's a school day.

Motelschmotel · 09/01/2023 14:36

Also disinterested and uninterested.

uninterested = not interested

disinterested = of no personal advantage/ impartial

”I’m totally uninterested in the Harry and Meghan saga, but I think they…” = I have no interest in the saga about them but I think that…

”I’m totally disinterested in the Harry and Meghan saga, I think they…” = I have no skin in their game, therefore I can offer my neutral opinion

Says totally different things about the opinion-holder and the opinion

Luckycatt · 09/01/2023 14:39

Not really related to OP but I have a number of acquaintances on SM who say "said child" or "said item" when they haven't brought up the child or the item before. Really grates.

ChiefWiggumsBoy · 09/01/2023 14:41

Ignorant

Each and every one of the examples given I would never have thought someone meant 'ignoring' and think they work for the actual meaning? Confused

Which according to online dictionary:

adjective
1.
lacking knowledge or awareness in general; uneducated or unsophisticated.

INFORMAL
discourteous or rude.

Discrete/discreet - meh, I'm normally one who has to grit their teeth at spelling errors but as these sound the same when spoken it doesn't bother me also maybe because I always forget which is which

Ethelfromnumber73 · 09/01/2023 14:42

Yep, I found this out a couple of years ago. Maybe if enough people get it wrong our meaning will prevail Grin

SandrasAnnoyingFriend · 09/01/2023 14:43

DarkShade · 09/01/2023 12:00

That's so interestign that so many people had the exact same mistaken meaning. I used to mistakenly think sanguine meant keen, passionate or enthusiastic, e.g. 'I'm sanguine about taking option A'. It's from the latin sanguis for blood, which I guess associates with passion.

I only recently learned that the word 'depressant' doesn't mean something that makes you depressed! It describes something that reduces your reflexes and responses to stimulus. I told a friend who was feeling down that maybe they drink too much and alcohol is a depressant, he looked at me like I was a complete idiot.

But alcohol is a depressant. It affects the central nervous system which can in turn lead to depression and anxiety.

So nothing you said was wrong.

Calphurnia88 · 09/01/2023 14:50

Motelschmotel · 09/01/2023 14:36

Also disinterested and uninterested.

uninterested = not interested

disinterested = of no personal advantage/ impartial

”I’m totally uninterested in the Harry and Meghan saga, but I think they…” = I have no interest in the saga about them but I think that…

”I’m totally disinterested in the Harry and Meghan saga, I think they…” = I have no skin in their game, therefore I can offer my neutral opinion

Says totally different things about the opinion-holder and the opinion

Interesting! (no pun intended 😅)

FurryDandelionSeekingMissile · 09/01/2023 15:02

SandrasAnnoyingFriend · 09/01/2023 14:43

But alcohol is a depressant. It affects the central nervous system which can in turn lead to depression and anxiety.

So nothing you said was wrong.

Mental health problems being caused or exacerbated by, or associated with, alcohol use is way more complex and multifactorial than a simple word can cover, though.

When doctors or scientists say that alcohol is a depressant, all they mean is that it's a central nervous system depressant, along with opiates, benzos, and some other drugs. Drugs in this group suppress brain activity leading to slowed breathing and heart rate, meaning you can pass out, go into a coma and even die if you take too much, or if you take more than one CNS depressant at the same time.

The mechanisms by which alcohol can alter your mood in the short term or affect your mental health in the long term aren't so easy to sum up. Some people get giggly and silly when they drink, some morose, some violent, some relaxed, some chatty, and often even for an individual the effect depends on how much they have, who they're with, how they felt beforehand, and lots of other factors. The long-term effects of repeated overuse of alcohol aren't as simple as just depression either. People respond differently and have different problems from it, and some will get depressed just as you can get depression as a comorbidity to many other disorders or as a result of feeling like crap or trying to modify how you feel with drugs. It's not that useful to assign alcohol a word that means it's a drug that will give you the mental illness of depression.

But everybody will, if you give them enough alcohol, experience CNS depression, so it's reasonable to describe it as a (CNS) depressant.

BunchHarman · 09/01/2023 15:19

Weirdly I think it sounds like it should mean the same as you thought it did. It’s just one of those words that sounds like it means something else. Sanguine seems relaxed and accepting, ‘optimistic’ is too proactive a meaning for it somehow.

It’s a bit like vindicate sounds to me like it should mean the opposite of its actual definition.

crunchypeanutbutterontoast · 09/01/2023 15:26

Really interesting thread, have just realised I’ve been using sanguine wrong my entire life, like others I thought it meant laid back or even serene!
Maybe we’ve all just heard it or read it - and along the way created ‘a meaning’ to match how it sounds!

stemthetide · 09/01/2023 15:33

OP, I thought exactly the same! This is a revelation. Thank goodness it's not a word I often use.

as for 'ignorant' meaning rude or discourteous (informal), this is a very common use of the word at least where I live. Some posters think those who use it this way are ignorant! And correct them scathingly.

DarkShade · 09/01/2023 15:42

FurryDandelionSeekingMissile · 09/01/2023 15:02

Mental health problems being caused or exacerbated by, or associated with, alcohol use is way more complex and multifactorial than a simple word can cover, though.

When doctors or scientists say that alcohol is a depressant, all they mean is that it's a central nervous system depressant, along with opiates, benzos, and some other drugs. Drugs in this group suppress brain activity leading to slowed breathing and heart rate, meaning you can pass out, go into a coma and even die if you take too much, or if you take more than one CNS depressant at the same time.

The mechanisms by which alcohol can alter your mood in the short term or affect your mental health in the long term aren't so easy to sum up. Some people get giggly and silly when they drink, some morose, some violent, some relaxed, some chatty, and often even for an individual the effect depends on how much they have, who they're with, how they felt beforehand, and lots of other factors. The long-term effects of repeated overuse of alcohol aren't as simple as just depression either. People respond differently and have different problems from it, and some will get depressed just as you can get depression as a comorbidity to many other disorders or as a result of feeling like crap or trying to modify how you feel with drugs. It's not that useful to assign alcohol a word that means it's a drug that will give you the mental illness of depression.

But everybody will, if you give them enough alcohol, experience CNS depression, so it's reasonable to describe it as a (CNS) depressant.

Yes - exactly! This is a really nice explanation. I had heard that "alcohol is a depressant" and thought that it meant, literally, that it makes you feel depressed over time. Which I relayed to my friend, who both suffers from (medical) depression and who drinks quite a lot, and who responded by asking me in a very measured tone, "You..... know that that isn't what the word depressant means, right?". Lesson learned, I won't forget it now!

Cracklingfire1 · 09/01/2023 15:54

@DownInTheDumpster but ignorant does mean rude, so it is accurate to use it in this way.

puppydisaster · 09/01/2023 17:02

Right, I'm officially campaigning for a change of meaning for "sanguine". As PPs say, if enough of us use it incorrectly, surely there must be a tipping point.

I feel sanguine about this. Grin

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BellatrixLestrangesHeatedCurlers · 09/01/2023 17:12

Probably because it sounds similar to "languid", which does mean laid back.

tothesea · 09/01/2023 17:22

Another one who thought sanguine meant cool and relaxed although I might have been getting it mixed up with sang froid.
For a long time I thought ambivalent meant you didn’t have strong feelings one way or the other like a sort of ‘meh’ reaction. Its possible that is how it was explained to me when I first asked what it meant and that incorrect explanation stuck

Wakk · 09/01/2023 17:40

I keep seeing people on here using mortified incorrectly.

I'm mortified for them.

darisdet · 09/01/2023 17:52

FourTeaFallOut · 09/01/2023 13:18

Yeah, I spent a long time thinking hoi polloi was the opposite of riff raff. You know, I think there might be a kids movie in which a character says hoi polloi and sticks their nose up in the air - obviously aping snobbishness but I misunderstood the gesture as mimicking the hoi polloi - but I can't remember which movie it was.

That wasn't Gulliver's Travels was it? The Yahoos and something else. I'm probably wrong.

Pashazade · 09/01/2023 18:03

Well learnt something today, at least I think I have, I'm familiar with the different forms/meanings of discrete and discreet, but having looked at it I'm not sure I would have spelled the former correctly. Also probably used sanguine in the OP's sense rather than the actual meaning!

Pashazade · 09/01/2023 18:06

darisdet you're thinking of the Houyhnhnms! Yes I had to Google it for spelling. 🤣🤣

LuluBlakey1 · 09/01/2023 18:10

I always think sanguine means having quite a complacent/chilled/relaxed attitude about something.

SeaweedGarters · 09/01/2023 18:10

iklboo · 09/01/2023 10:55

@HilaryThorpe and 'exsanguinate' for the morbid amongst us. To drain of blood.

That is a particularly chilling moment in the Wolf Hall trilogy, festuring perhaps the best ever use of 'exsanguinate'.

In terms of humours, I swing between choleric and melancholic, myself. I'm delightful to be around.

darisdet · 09/01/2023 18:11

Pashazade · 09/01/2023 18:06

darisdet you're thinking of the Houyhnhnms! Yes I had to Google it for spelling. 🤣🤣

😅Thanks @Pashazade

electricmoccasins · 09/01/2023 18:18

Perhaps the ‘hoi polloi’ folks are getting confused with ‘hoity toity’.. ?