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Advice please do I go a&e?

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MeMyBooksAndMyCats · 05/01/2023 08:30

Past 5 days I've had a dry hacking cough, that is leaving me gasping for breath. I'm very breathless.
Coughing up foamy white mucus with brown/red flecks in it sorry TMI!
My chest In the middle hurts and feels like a elephant sat on it. Got a headache non stop, feel dizzy & faint. The back of my throat at the top feels damaged I've coughed that much.
I have asthma on top and my inhalers despite being strong ones aren't helping. Drank more than enough water and it's not helping, have cough medicines that aren't doing jack sh^t!

Tried for two days to get through to my GP to be seen and can't get an appointment. No walk in centre by me.
It's killing me off, last night I barely slept as I kept waking up gasping for air and coughing. 😭
Not sure if I'm being over dramatic but it's so damn painful. Haven't been anywhere to get a cough, all my family & people I've seen don't have a cough/cold neither so I don't think it's a cold I've caught.

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Notmytiep · 05/01/2023 10:29

Arewethereyet22 · 05/01/2023 10:20

How can anyone advise no to 111/a&e when you don’t know the OPs age, co morbidities, medications, medical history etc and she has chest pain and difficulty breathing. Seriously? Either you are not a HCP in which case don’t give out medical advice or you are in which case you need some retraining.

And this right here is exactly why people shouldn't be asking for medical advice on MN.

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Fluffycloudland77 · 05/01/2023 10:32

Asthma can cause asphyxiation heart attacks and they are rarely survivable, you need to go to A+E if you have problems breathing.

Sherbetdib · 05/01/2023 10:33

Goosefatroasts · 05/01/2023 10:23

@Sherbetdib

Just turning up at the doctors is terrible advice and often won’t get you very far. If you were so poorly to do that they would redirect you to A and E anyway.

She asked for advice. I gave her mine. And it is not terrible advice to try to get help from your Doctor first. I have done so. Last year I had a weird and inexplicable problem. I could not walk. I felt sick too. It came on suddenly. I realised I was very ill. I went to the Doctors. They are intelligent people and have a sort of emergency appointment arrangement and I was seen very quickly. I had no need to go to A and E although I could have done. It turns out I had an internal ear infection. Nothing life threatening. But it was scary at the time.

None of us are doctors. And insulting people is really poor. I know some people like to do so. You wouldn't do it to my face. Trust me.
People are trying to seriously help. Not every doctors is rubbish. Mine isn't.

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Goosefatroasts · 05/01/2023 10:35

@Sherbetdib

It was awful advice. I’ve worked as a GP receptionist and that would not have worked at my surgery. They would have redirected you to a walk in or A and E if you did not have an appointment.

Good for you yours isn’t rubbish I would hazard an educated guess the OPs is considering she has tried and failed multiple times to be seen.

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Vegetablesupreme · 05/01/2023 10:41

OP , please let us know how you get on at gps as you sound terribly unwell.
I haven't offered advice on whether to go to a & e or not as only YOU know how bad your symptoms are and whether you think they warrant a trip to a&e.
I'm glad you've managed to get a gps appointment (even if your dh had to threaten them with a complaint to do so) so hopefully you'll soon be feeling a little better.
💐

Soontobe60 · 05/01/2023 10:42

restorativejustice · 05/01/2023 10:22

And to avoid gasping for breath you might try to get an appointment - many GP surgeries will have a nebuliser and be able to prescribe steroids and antibiotics and of course refer on to A&E if necessary. Part of the crisis is surgeries and medical centres not being able to operate as they should.

Yes, I can see that hanging on a phone for half an hour or so is a great way of avoiding gasping for breath 😳

Hangupsrus · 05/01/2023 10:44

Op I had this and had pneumonia, went to a&e and was given crest x-ray and strong antibiotics. Definitely go to a&e.

Sherbetdib · 05/01/2023 10:45

Goosefatroasts · 05/01/2023 10:35

@Sherbetdib

It was awful advice. I’ve worked as a GP receptionist and that would not have worked at my surgery. They would have redirected you to a walk in or A and E if you did not have an appointment.

Good for you yours isn’t rubbish I would hazard an educated guess the OPs is considering she has tried and failed multiple times to be seen.

I don't believe you.

Goosefatroasts · 05/01/2023 10:46

@Sherbetdib

Why? It was stressful, I lasted all of 3 days. Hats off to them I say. It’s not easy turning people away.

Sherbetdib · 05/01/2023 10:48

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Goosefatroasts · 05/01/2023 10:49

@Sherbetdib

No. Quite the opposite infact which is why I only lasted for 3 days. Talking of aggression, with all due respect I was not the one trotting out lines like “you wouldn’t say it to my face”. Was quite funny though 😂.

Sherbetdib · 05/01/2023 10:57

Goosefatroasts · 05/01/2023 10:49

@Sherbetdib

No. Quite the opposite infact which is why I only lasted for 3 days. Talking of aggression, with all due respect I was not the one trotting out lines like “you wouldn’t say it to my face”. Was quite funny though 😂.

You twisted that in a way I did not mean.
I said it as I believe it to be true. People do say things online they would not say, and in the tone said online, to someones face. They just would not. At least I hope not.
I didn't believe my advice terrible.Anyone who gives advice here is trying to help, not to hinder. It isn't helpful to point to someone and say your advice was useless/terrible/ pointless etc. I was trying to be constructive. I didn't find your post to be likewise. Sadly, I reacted to it. I am surprised at myself.

StoppinBy · 05/01/2023 10:58

Good luck OP, If you hadn't been able to see a GP I think you would have been reasonable to present to Emergency.

I'm glad I live in a country where someone with these symptoms wouldn't be made to feel shit for seeking immediate medical care.

JoanOfAllTrades · 05/01/2023 11:57

I am a very experienced, fully trained nurse, with many years experience, working in the UK, as well as other countries.

@LaCerbiatta was correct - I would have told @MeMyBooksAndMyCats to call an ambulance and go to ED because the symptoms she has described, are more dangerous because she’s an asthmatic!

To anyone who has a cough and starts to cough up dark flecks, regardless of asthma, presence of mucous or anything else that might spring to mind - call an ambulance and only take yourself to ED, if the wait time is >30 minutes.

To anyone who feels a crushing weight in the middle of their chest - call an ambulance and only take yourself to ED, if the wait time is > 15 minutes.

To anyone who is febrile, with a heart rate <50 or >100 - call an ambulance and well, you know the drill.

Only make your own way to ED, if you have someone who knows you well, to drive you.

Pharmacists are great for advising about medications and minor ailments but they are not clinically trained to take observations, they don’t know at what point something goes from “keep an eye, this may develop into something” to “fcuk, this is a met call and we need a team now!”

Doctors and nurses spend a lot of time getting taught about signs of clinical deterioration whilst training, post registration and as part of yearly clinical training in the hospitals they work in. Not because we’re all idiots who don’t know anything, but because best practices change over time and we have to be able to make decisions quickly and then accurately feedback to any attending team, who might have never seen the patient before.

GP receptionists are just that - receptionists. They usually have little medical training, zero triage training and, I’ve found in the UK at least, are paid to gate-keep for the surgery! It may well sound like a good idea to call the GP surgery, vent your spleen on the receptionist and then threaten to complain, but please try to remember, they do as they are told, they don’t make the rules and 9/10 they probably don’t like having to arbitrarily enforce them!

Unfortunately, as OP found, receptionists often have to make arbitrary decisions about appointments. Because they have to do as instructed by the GP. Don’t be fooled when the GP says “hmm, well, I never told them not to give out the free appointments for this afternoon”. Er, yeah, yeah you did. Because most GP’s like to have at least one afternoon appointment for emergencies.

The other issue is that some people do lie about the urgency of their condition, which puts more stress on the receptionists to gate-keep more strenuously.

Even turning up at the GP surgery might not work, because I remember the case of a lady dying in the waiting room of a Staffordshire ED waiting room some years ago, with nurses doing triage - GP receptionists aren’t qualified to do triage.

The northern hemisphere winter of 2017/2018, a relative of mine, who was eligible for the free bus pass, was extremely sick. She texted me and said she could barely move, was in bed with the heating and an electric blanket on having cold sweats and the GP surgery had told her there were no appointments that week!

I ended up calling the GP surgery from where I now live, got through and explained the situation to the receptionist who told me the same. At the time, it was maybe midday or just before in the UK and I explained to the receptionist that not only was I calling from a different country in a different timezone, but that I was also, by this time, in a different day! I explained that I was a nurse, that I was seriously concerned about my relative’s health and that if anything happened to my relative then I would make sure that the BMA heard about the complete disregard of duty of care that the GPs at that surgery had. I also reassured her that I didn’t blame her. She then said that she could see I was calling from an international number (apparently it came up as international on the phone display) and told me that she would call me back! She did call me back and she spoke to one of the GP’s who agreed to make a home visit. I called my relative back, explained that the GP would make a home visit and she started crying - she said home visits aren’t done anymore in the UK!

So whilst I believe that the OP really couldn’t get an appointment, I don’t think blaming reception staff is the way forward. The receptionist I spoke to that day thought I might have been calling from Eire or somewhere similar and she was apologetic at first when explaining but was never rude or dismissive and really shocked that I’d called from so far away!

MrsSkylerWhite · 05/01/2023 12:02

stackhead · Today 08:35
It's a no from me. Keep trying with the gp or 111 for an appointment. But it's not an accident or an emergency.

It's just flu.

Rest and fluids. Humid air where you can.“

Do you have asthma? “Just” ‘flu can be fatal.

Go to A&E OP, you probably need steroids.

kittensinthekitchen · 05/01/2023 12:04

MrsSkylerWhite · 05/01/2023 12:02

stackhead · Today 08:35
It's a no from me. Keep trying with the gp or 111 for an appointment. But it's not an accident or an emergency.

It's just flu.

Rest and fluids. Humid air where you can.“

Do you have asthma? “Just” ‘flu can be fatal.

Go to A&E OP, you probably need steroids.

She has a GP appointment. A GP can prescribe steroids!

MrsSkylerWhite · 05/01/2023 12:05

When?

DeadbeatYoda · 05/01/2023 12:10

Sounds like a chest infection. GP.

MeMyBooksAndMyCats · 05/01/2023 12:10

So i have pheomina (I can't spell) on steroids & strong antibotics. Inhalers been tweaked.

I also have a POTS flare up on top due to the infection which is why my chest feels like it's being crushed by a elephant my resting Bpm was 142.

Been told if I get any worse to immediately go to hospital where they'll admit me and do it by IV.

OP posts:
JoanOfAllTrades · 05/01/2023 12:14

MeMyBooksAndMyCats · 05/01/2023 12:10

So i have pheomina (I can't spell) on steroids & strong antibotics. Inhalers been tweaked.

I also have a POTS flare up on top due to the infection which is why my chest feels like it's being crushed by a elephant my resting Bpm was 142.

Been told if I get any worse to immediately go to hospital where they'll admit me and do it by IV.

Did the GP send off for a D-dimer? Refer for a HRCT?

I would have preferred you to go to ED - if you’re no better in 24 hours, OR you deteriorate at any time, please call an ambulance or ask DH to take you to ED, whichever is quicker.

Plenty of fluids as well please 🌹

DeadbeatYoda · 05/01/2023 12:16

Sounds like the GP was able to save you a trip to A&E this time. Glad you're sorted now, all the best for your recuperation .

JoanOfAllTrades · 05/01/2023 12:16

JoanOfAllTrades · 05/01/2023 12:14

Did the GP send off for a D-dimer? Refer for a HRCT?

I would have preferred you to go to ED - if you’re no better in 24 hours, OR you deteriorate at any time, please call an ambulance or ask DH to take you to ED, whichever is quicker.

Plenty of fluids as well please 🌹

And I say all this ^, not because I think I know better than your GP, or that he’s not trustworthy, but because I would have just preferred those options be given, to err on the side of caution.

Freddiefan · 05/01/2023 12:22

I am not a medical person but I have asthma, bronchiectasis etc. I had pneumonia a few years ago. I don't normally nod off during the day but I propped myself up in bed with pillows and slept and slept. I would wake up in the morning, have a quick shower, put on clean pyjamas and go back to bed with a cuppa. I hope you feel better soon.