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Overwhelmed with second baby, support or help please?

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overwhelmedmumm · 11/12/2022 07:55

DD is 7 weeks old, DS is 4. I'm having a difficult time adjusting. DS and I Have always been quite close, spent 1-2 days together during the week on outings and at home, and I was always the preferred parent, though DH is quite involved and has always done loads with DS, too. Pregnancy was quite difficult for me (hyperemesis, SPD) so I was not physically available or very active for much of it. DH spent much more time with DS and their bond grew, also because DS was growing up a bit and they had more shared interests (Lego, etc).

I expected that it would be a big shift when baby was born, expected jealousy, etc., but I'm having trouble getting a grip on the tantrums and mood swings and sorting out how to make this work. For example, one minute DS is happily eating his breakfast and the next he says he wants to sit in my lap and have me feed him, only he wants me to sit in a particular position, just so, (or whatever else very particular but seemingly unimportant demand he comes up with), or else he's on the floor screaming and in tears saying, "Mummy sit like this, mummy sit like this!" He has also started hitting, scratching, and pushing both myself and DH. For example, he was very tired yesterday at bedtime (not sleeping as well with holidays and such), went upstairs and got on his pyjamas without a hitch, but then decided he wanted something and DH told him no. So he threw a toy at him and hit him. DH put his foot down and said, no that's not okay, we are not going to read a story before bed now, go in your bed and go to sleep. (This is a punishment we've never done but I think we were both exhausted). Ten minutes later, DS is sat in bed screaming for me to come give him a cuddle (part of our normal bedtime routine). I went up to his room and asked if wanted a cuddle, and he started screaming about wanting to read a story. I told him DH decided no story because of the hitting and throwing, but I could still give him a cuddle if he liked. He went back into hysterics, crying, and then hit me. I told him I couldn't tolerate him hitting me and I loved him and would see him in the morning, and left his room. He settled himself within a couple of minutes, but I felt bloody awful. He was previously an incredibly chilled out and happy child, and now has had more tantrums in a week than he has in his life.

I'm just feeling completely overwhelmed. I knew it would be difficult but didn't expect this. DD is a content and happy, healhty baby. She is EBF so I spend lots of the day nursing her, which I know is hard for DS. My husband and MIL commented that I have been a little bit lost to DS, so perhaps I can spend more one to one time with him, but I don't know how, as it often turns into the tantrumy mood swings and I have a difficult time balancing my patience and empathy. (I do pump and DH can give a bottle a day but it doesn't seem enough for DS and the moods/tantrums are fairly unpredictable). I love and am grateful for both children but I also find myself wondering if we made a mistake in bringing another child into the family as everyone seems so stressed and unhappy now (and I feel terrible even writing that, hence the anonymous NC). (I was ready to try for our second when DS was 2, but DH wasn't ready, so I accepted the idea of us as a family of 3. After several months DH said he wanted to try for a second and we did, so she is very much planned and wanted by both of us, but in the back of my mind I do question if DH only wanted to try because I did).

Is this common? Will it get better, and when? Apologies this has turned into a novel but I don't know who else to talk to about this and I'm just feeling sad and like a complete failure of a mum.

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GoodVibesHere · 11/12/2022 08:32

It will get better, slowly. Your son still loves you very much, you are his world and he has only ever known life with you. It is all so much for him to get used to.

Don't forget that (in the UK) the run-up to xmas can be exhausting for young kids especially once they are in school. Xmas is hyped up for them and they get so tired as end of term approaches. Aim for your DS to get plenty of sleep and keep free time calm, don't try to 'compensate' for the baby by scheduling lots of activities for your DS on weekends, keep it chilled at home give him lots of treats and watch films together, read to him in bed, play games together when you can get the time.

I wish you all the best - it will get better.

overwhelmedmumm · 11/12/2022 08:56

Thank you so much @GoodVibesHere . yes, He is in nursery and there has been so much with Christmas I suspect he’s a bit wound up. I have been trying to do little outings with him, perhaps that is too much. I do hope things get better because I find I’m on pins and needles around him and he was my world, too, before baby came. I am dreading half term because I don’t know how we’ll manage him and his moods and providing appropriate attention for him, especially with this weather, he won’t play out for very long. And I feel horribly guilty even saying that as I used to look forward to our days together and I’m trying so hard not to let that show. He also has said he prefers dad now anyway but then cries and says he wants to sleep in my lap and fall asleep cuddling me (we’ve never co-slept) 😢

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sashagabadon · 11/12/2022 09:00

It’s a reaction to not being number three be anymore that’s all. It’ll improve in time. My dd also 4 at the time slapped me when I was feeding her new born brother once.
can you involve him a bit say with nappy changes , getting the nappy etc?
as baby starts to smile etc she will smile at him and he’ll be able to maker her laugh soonish and things like that help

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sashagabadon · 11/12/2022 09:01

Number one not three!

mdh2020 · 11/12/2022 09:03

The best advice i ever received was that jealousy is natural. Imagine how you would feel if your husband came home with another woman and said ‘we are all going to live together. I love her but it doesn’t mean that I don’t love you’. It is hard but it will get better and they will be friends.

Beautifulsunflowers · 11/12/2022 09:11

It’s very natural and you’re dealing with it as an exhausted parent so makes it hard.
It will get better.
Keep praising the good behaviour, almost too much - you’re such a good boy. Thank you for being extra helpful today etc and keep on telling him you love him.

DorotheaHomeAlone · 11/12/2022 09:19

This is such a hard transition. My first two were only 20 months apart and the tantrums (her) and guilt (me) we’re ferocious. Gradually we all settled though and when they develop their own bond you will be able to appreciate that what the first child gets from a sibling more than makes up for what they lose in parent attention.

On a side note: the no bedtime book thing - my dh tried this a couple of times and it was a disaster. I would never take away the routine things that they use to soothe and regulate themselves as a punishment. Now they’re upset with no opportunity to calm down and reset. Better to go for a short, sharp punishment then come back for the book to calm down before bed.

MistyFrequencies · 11/12/2022 09:28

Its tough. Acknowledge its tough for everyone- that you are finding it tough doesnt make you a shit mum.
I found getting the oldest to help and then excessively praising her for it really helped. She had a box of nappies/wipes/water bottle/snacks etc at her level. Then id be breastfeeding and say "oh no, i forgot my water bottle, lucky ive got such a big helper, can yoh grab it for me?" "Thank you so much, me and your brother are SO lucky you are here to help us!" etc etc.
Not foolproof but it did help. I think ypungwst was about 3 months old before I truly felt like everything settled and we all had a grip on the situation. So give it time, your little one is only 7 weeks. It will get easier.

overwhelmedmumm · 11/12/2022 10:21

@DorotheaHomeAlone thabm you, yes, I thought it was a bit harsh as we’ve read a book literally every night before bed for his whole life. But I didn’t want to go behind DH’s back so to speak and change the decision he had made. I will have a chat with him about it today.

@MistyFrequencies thabk you, yes I keep hoping he sees the benefits of a sibling but it is so hard in the meantime. Itake reassuring to hear that there might be some
inprovement at 3 months as that’s not too far off…

@Beautifulsunflowers thank you, I do keep praising him and telling him I love him but it feels like it’s not getting through to him and he still seeks out “negative” attention, I suppose we will keep trying…

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overwhelmedmumm · 11/12/2022 10:43

The other thing I'm struggling with is just that it ramps up so quickly. I had just finished nursing DD this morning and DS wanted to cuddle on the sofa with us. He came and we sat nicely for a minute or so but then he begins to be wild, rolling on the sofa, dangling upside down and kicking his legs. I tell him I love him and want to cuddle but we have to do it in a safe way so the baby doesn't get hurt. He then gets more wild and I tell him I don't want to play with him if he can't do good listening. I try to tell him to go to his room but then he starts pushing me and hit me. I have to pick him up and carry him away, tell him to sit and think why I said no and when he is ready to apologise or play and follow rules I will do that with him. But really I want to run away because I know this will just be the first of several scenes like this today and I'm already so thin on patience. What is the right way to respond to this?d

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MistyFrequencies · 11/12/2022 13:01

Id put baby somewhere safe in that scenario, since you had finished feeding, and give the older kid the hugs they need. My mum (has 7 kids) said when i had my second to make it VERY obvious at times that you are putting first kids needs before babies. So they still feel important. So "i love hugging you, let me just put baby over here and we will have a proper hug, the two of us" etc. Or at different times "sorry (baby), you will need to wait a minute while i get (older child) his....." etc.

Kindofcrunchy · 11/12/2022 13:12

My almost 3 year old is already showing behaviours like this and our second won't be here for another couple of weeks :( it all sounds so familiar OP. I'm terrified, completely terrified. I'm sorry I don't have advice, just wanted to say you're not alone, you're doing your best and it's just a phase. Things won't be like this forever ❤️

Topjoe19 · 11/12/2022 13:20

I agree with @MistyFrequencies post, to make it obvious to your DS that you're putting him first. Was also advised this by my mum (who had 5 kids). Can you get some activities (games/crafts) that you & DS can do together while baby sits in a bouncy chair/lies on playmat etc? I appreciate not all babies can be put down & I was incredibly lucky my second DD would sit & watch as I played with older DD. I had my second DD in lockdown so was stuck in the house with a 2 yo & newborn a lot. Also to add 4 year olds can be absolute nightmares at times! (Well most of the time!)

Merrow · 11/12/2022 13:25

Does he like Daniel Tiger? We've been watching a bit in preparation for DS2 being born. No idea if it will actually make a difference once the baby is here, but early on in the first series there's quite a bit about life with a baby and how Daniel copes with that. DS1 sometimes sings the songs from it when we're talking about the baby.

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