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To think mixed sex adult wards should be banned

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roarfeckingroarr · 19/11/2022 20:04

Please could someone in the NHS or otherwise explain why women are expected to sleep in the same room and share bathrooms with strange men they don't know while at their most vulnerable?

Is it all just down to cost / overwhelmed services or is this an intentional policy?

This is on the bank of the thread with the poor woman whose 16 year old daughter was on a ward with adult men, some drunk.

Don't get me started on men staying all night in the postnatal wards.

OP posts:
Whatwouldscullydo · 19/11/2022 20:11

I dont think.it should be allowed no.

But this is MN so be prepared to be told to be grateful you got a bed at all after waiting 12 hours in a&e with your head hanging off becuase most get theirs stapled back on in the car park. Covid groomed the last of any expectations for half decent treatment out of all of us.

Mouthfulofquiz · 19/11/2022 20:16

The thing is, you could be on a female only ward with male visitors all day long (most people have loved ones of both genders). It’s so hard! Single sex wards are best though I think.

Redshoeblueshoe · 19/11/2022 20:19

After reading a few posts on that I decided just to read the OP's. I felt so sorry for the mum and her daughter. So many people saying they're not mixed sex wards. I was put in a bay with 3 men. When I complained they swapped me over - with the man they had put in the women's bay. This was pre-covid.

Skiingwithgin · 19/11/2022 20:20

I’m my experience of working in 6 hospitals and being a patient in a 7th, none of them have had mixed bags. Mixed wards, yes, but separate rooms for male and female with 2-8 beds in each - known as a bay. I’ve never known anywhere to have mixed bays. Apart from ICU, but the second a patient is declared not longer needing ICU level 3 care they have to be moved else it’s known as a mixed sex breach, which is reported to NHSE and the trust is financially penalised.

the reason we can’t have male/female only wards is because we need to be able to flex based on demand. In my hospital, as an example, each ward is 28 beds, 4 bays of 6 and 4 side rooms. Now that could be 2 male and 2 female bays, 4 male, 3 male and 1 female etc. it is important because imagine if in the female bay, all were discharged, but the only people needing admissions in A&E (in time order) were male, there would be empty beds sat upstairs for hours/days whilst the other sex sat and waited in ED. Quite regularly, we will have 6-8+ of one sex waiting for the next bed in that order, we regularly have to “flip” bays, so move one sex to an empty bed on a different ward and convert what was x sex bay into y sex bay due to the demand.

this is obviously far from ideal as the ward is shared and men can be walking around. However it’s the best we have at the moment.

moving forward, all new hospitals will be built with entirely private rooms (like the side rooms we have now) so no open bays of 2 or more beds with curtains round. But there will still be mixed sexes on the ward. Except on specialty wards such as gynaecology/maternity obviously.

not ideal, not perfect but hope that explains the logic a bit

tickticksnooze · 19/11/2022 20:21

Because the NHS is shit and turns a blind eye to abuse of patients.

Alacarde · 19/11/2022 20:22

I agree with you, OP.

Skiingwithgin · 19/11/2022 20:22

Ooh interesting that a PP has been on a mixed bay, I genuinely thought that was an absolute no no and could never happen! I’ve been a bed manager before and it’s never ever once been an option or even considered even in the worst of times. I’m so sorry @Redshoeblueshoe you had that experience! Absolutely wrong and just bat shit crazy - especially if they swapped you with a man who was in a female bay, WTAF?

StickyCricket · 19/11/2022 20:23

Covid groomed the last of any expectations for half decent treatment out of all of us

This^

That thread was awful.

But God forbid anyone dare criticise the NHS. I’ve yet to see an NHS thread where someone doesn’t post something along the lines of “you should just be grateful that…”.

Waterfalls39 · 19/11/2022 20:24

I was put on a surgical assessment ward a few years ago, and at 3am they admitted a man having a drug fuelled MH crisis as there was no other bed for him. I've never been so terrified in my life and discharged myself the next morning - the poor lady next him was 85 and had had a nasty fall at home. It's inhuman.

Don't even start me on the women who insist on their partners being there overnight on the postnatal ward.

Realistnotpessimist · 19/11/2022 20:24

I couldn't give a shit whether I'm on a ward with men or women to be honest. Wouldn't feel any differently to mixed ward or single sex.

tickticksnooze · 19/11/2022 20:25

The "logic" is that women are not considered worth protecting so nobody does.

tickticksnooze · 19/11/2022 20:27

Realistnotpessimist · 19/11/2022 20:24

I couldn't give a shit whether I'm on a ward with men or women to be honest. Wouldn't feel any differently to mixed ward or single sex.

Good for you. Your lack of concern for yourself doesn't mean other women shouldn't be protected.

You cannot speak for the thousands upon thousands of women who are survivors of sexual abuse and are damaged by being put in these situations or who have been raped and abused on mixed sex wards.

LynetteScavo · 19/11/2022 20:28

Realistnotpessimist · 19/11/2022 20:24

I couldn't give a shit whether I'm on a ward with men or women to be honest. Wouldn't feel any differently to mixed ward or single sex.

I would.

I would feel more uncomfortable on a mixed ward. More vulnerable.

But then I'm female.

roarfeckingroarr · 19/11/2022 20:28

tickticksnooze · 19/11/2022 20:25

The "logic" is that women are not considered worth protecting so nobody does.

Sadly, I agree.

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Talapia · 19/11/2022 20:28

The wards are mixed but the bays are single sex and their will be men and women's bathrooms.
Obviously, there are some exceptions such as gynae, which will be all female.

To be honest, my 16 year old was fine on a mixed, single sex ward.

However, I'm really shocked that men/ partners can stay all night on maternity wards! How can anyone sleep !

tickticksnooze · 19/11/2022 20:29

The NHS is shit and nobody should ever be grateful for being harmed by it.

I am very happy to say that the NHS is a fucking disgrace.

What was the most recent abuse scandal that the NHS had tried to cover up until exposed by investigators who would not be silenced? Institutional abuse in mental health units? Or maybe the attempt to cover up the unlawful killing of mother's and babies?

I lose track of the most recent NHS abomination exposed to the light. They just keep coming.

The NHS is shit.

Threadkillacilla · 19/11/2022 20:30

YANBU I was flashed repeatedly in the recovery after day surgery. They know when your vulnerable.

tickticksnooze · 19/11/2022 20:31

Talapia · 19/11/2022 20:28

The wards are mixed but the bays are single sex and their will be men and women's bathrooms.
Obviously, there are some exceptions such as gynae, which will be all female.

To be honest, my 16 year old was fine on a mixed, single sex ward.

However, I'm really shocked that men/ partners can stay all night on maternity wards! How can anyone sleep !

That setup means the men can freely wander amidst female patients' beds while the women are asleep and entirely unprotected.

Think about that.

RosettaStormer · 19/11/2022 20:33

I still remember my elderly grandmother being very deeply upset by being in a mixed ward. That was decades ago.

Hairyfairy01 · 19/11/2022 20:33

Most wards are mixed but they try and keep the bays male or female. However in cases where you need to be on a specialist wards, say stroke or cardiac, sometimes demand outweighs supply and a male may be in a bay of females or vice versa. It is always avoided wherever possible and rectified as quickly as possible. However if all the side rooms are being used for patients who are at the end stage of life or who have an infectious disease, and the male bay is full, but the female bay has an empty bed, where do you suggest they put that male patient?

tickticksnooze · 19/11/2022 20:34

where do you suggest they put that male patient?

How do you suggest they protect the female patients?

badbaduncle · 19/11/2022 20:35

Unacceptable, dangerous and incredibly stressful.
I refused one and said I would leave if left on one. I was put on a female geriatric ward which was ideal - so quiet, lovely women. DD was allocated one, they said that that. 6'5' DH arrived and got in the bed with her and refused to move (politely) and repeatedly reiterated that she was not staying there alone etc etc. She got a single room. It is grim and unacceptable and they know it. Refuse.

tickticksnooze · 19/11/2022 20:35

Defending mixed sex wards is a fucking disgrace.

HermioneWeasley · 19/11/2022 20:37

Of course YANBU. Women have been sexually assaulted and raped in mixed sex wards. They are stressful and unsafe and therefore have no place in a healthcare setting.

DirtyBlonde · 19/11/2022 20:38

It was a New Labour pledge in the 00s to end this practice.

They didn't manage it, not has any administration since.

I think it's a disgrace, but concede its cheaper. And I guess that's a big factor right now