Goodbye NHS

[Madwife123]

Well Rishi and his party have finally managed to kill the NHS it seems.

From April 2023 a band 5 nurse will earn £3.42 an hour above the new minimum wage.

Out of that £3.42 they are paying student loans, NMC fee, work parking permit. Costs they would not have if they never went to uni and instead went straight into a minimum wage job.

Young people wanting to be nurses are now financially better off going to work in Tesco instead.

It’s frankly an insult to how hard they work and the responsibility they have to say there is no money for an NHS pay rise and then raise benefits and pension by 10%. Where is that money coming from? If you paid them fairly in the first place they wouldn’t be relying on top up benefits!

This is really going to help the staffing crisis! I expect nurses will be leaving in their masses come next year and the Tory’s will finally get what they always wanted.

As a band 2 I'll officially be doing my job for minimum wage.

Patient facing, actually helping save lives. For minimum fucking wage.

My dh works for a local authority and gets the same thing. His pay is shit, but everyone says “you’ll get a great pension”. Lots of his colleagues can’t afford to pay into it and dh is going to have to stop as well.

Please read my post properly ,she was paid minium wage whilsr a trainee associate nursse and got £ 4/ hour whilst in her first year of her top up course.

Da is currently a final year nursing student and (although I'm obviously biased) would make a fantastic nurse. However I really wonder how long it will be before the penny drops about working conditions and pay. He is very aware of it all from a theoretical point of view but I think the reality of the conditions will still be a shock. He has spent the majority of his course, for which of course he is paying 9K a year, on placement. Maybe the staff are being nice but he has been told so many times by other nurses that the wards just couldn't function without a continuous supply of students so he's actually paying to prop up the NHS. He only qualifies for minimum maintenance loan so has relied on the bursary for nursing students to pay his rent et cetera. He'll still come out with a huge loan and will very quickly realise that he can make more money continuing to work as an agency care worker with no responsibility then he will make as a nurse. Dh and I anticipate having to continue to support him for sometime, particularly if he ends up living in a city.

Clearly it’s not an attractive prospect as there aren’t enough HCP. The plan is to recruit (steal) HCP from poorer countries again….

A band 5 health care professional. Physios, radiographers, OTs etc are in the same boat.

Why are you bringing up benefits? Irrelevant.

YANBU that nurses should be paid far far more

They don’t want to encourage anyone into it. It’s easier to ship them in from other countries and carrying paying terrible wages.

I used to work for the NHS in a non clinical role. Me and my colleagues all earned 40-70K in London for these non clinical 9-5 office based jobs. It's an outrage.

@x2boys I did read your post. She didn't get minimum wage. She got band 3 pay. It is not minimum wage. Then as a fully qualified qualified nursing associate she will have been a band 4 while finishing her top up year. Please don't bother trying to argue this with me. I work with the recruitment team in attaining nursing associates and Radiography apprentices, within the NHS, in my trust. No body in the NHS is getting paid £4 an hour.

So upsetting.

4 years ago I was a top of band 5 nurse working full time in a dept that was Mon-Fri do no unsocial hours, my take home pay was around £1700 (incl pension and car park deduction). I just about managed month to month but when I had a big bill such as car/vet bill id have to use savings. prior to this I worked on a ward and got unsocial hours from 2 weekends and around 4 nights a month and that added around £100-150 extra a month.

I left early last year to do agency nursing as I was completely burnt out and couldn’t take the stress anymore! I earn a lot more but I don’t get holiday/sick pay and never know where and when I’m working.

I’d love a permanent job again but I just can’t afford it as I live on my own so no one to share the bills with. I really really hope nurses will start being paid fairly, it breaks my heart seeing what’s happening to the NHS.

yes I agree ...there's absolutely no need to strike ,if everyone in the NHS just worked their contracted hours the government would get the message pretty sharpish. I'm fed up of them always trying to justify the situation by talking about pension and conditions being better than the private sector....the turnover rate for trained/qualified vocational staff is horrendous so how many people are going to last the full 30-40 years plus that a nurse might once be expected to work. I still see posts about how wonderful the NHS is whenever any criticism pops yup...fab idea in concept but it's no longer fit for purpose or providing an acceptable level of care to patients. They don't give a flying f about the people who actually provide the care.

It’s shocking. During the horrific pandemic I thought for sure NHS workers would get thank-you bonuses when it was all over! And there was talk of how valuable the NHS was and how it hadn’t been invested in enough and we needed it to be robust..

It’s all been forgotten. Imagine if there’s ever another one..!

That's a ridiculous wage. A HCA working Mon to Fri with no unsociable hours takes home around that.

You could apply for an outpatient role and do bank shifts as extra you should be getting more than £150 a month. I'm a band 2 and I can earn £150 from working 7 till 3 on a Sunday.

I don't think many NMW jobs get the pension, holiday or sick pay NHS staff get. It's not quite the fair comparison.

its not as good as it used to be. The NHS has been eroding these things for years to offset the cuts they have had to deal with.

Don't worry we got a special rainbow badge!

Absolutely true about the pension, a sizeable number of people on my ward cannot afford the payments and have opted out.

This can’t be right (I know it is) but who the hell is going to be a nurse for nmw. I’m angry on behalf of all of you.

This.

Let's pray we never get ill

Yep it's shocking how they expect to recruit and retain on current wages. I am a project manager for the NHS and and have had to drop a band just to get a permanent job.

My sympathies. There really is no point now in working for anything. Inheritance rules, and the rest of us are just more or less educated slaves.

I'm a band 3. HCA. No way I'm 'saving lives'. Sorry but you've completely over estimated what you do as a Band 2

While I do think nurses should be paid more, anyone who is a nurse what do you think the salary banding should be? What’s the expectation within the workforce? Just curious.

I'd like to know this too