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Can I use my savings to pay off some of my mortgage, and then claim benefits?

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BzzzzzOff · 17/11/2022 14:12

Well aware that I'm about to get flamed for this, but I am fed up with being penalised for being responsible with my money.

DH and I have £30k in savings, which was intended to go towards our next house when the DC start school and I go back to work. Currently I am a SAHM with two toddlers, and DH is on a low income (£24k). We just about manage without needing to dip into our savings, but from next year they will start depleting pretty rapidly as our energy fix comes to an end.

I know how lucky we are to have plenty of savings, but I am really upset that if we'd been reckless and bought the bigger house before having children then we could be on benefits now and receiving all this extra help. As it is, we'll probably never be able upsize as our savings will be gone.

So, I think I'm going to stick £25k onto our mortgage, keeping £5k in the bank, and start claiming Universal Credit. Could this be considered deprivation of assets? Frankly don't care if this is "immoral", I am just wondering how careful I need to be in order to protect the savings I worked so hard for.

OP posts:
BzzzzzOff · 17/11/2022 16:44

@Gumreduction you haven't even read the opening post have you?!

OP posts:
Archibaldleach · 17/11/2022 16:44

MoveBitch · 17/11/2022 14:45

It would be more sensible to go back to work sooner, or have your husband look for extra hours/better job.

Why? If she is entitled to benefits why shouldn't she claim them? She'd probably be better of on benefits than working factoring in childcare, free time plus all the satellite benefits and cost of living help she will get. If her husband looks for a better job he will be paying more tax as the budget has just outlined, when they can get 10% increase in benefits without having to do that. It's a no-brainer.

SavingKitten · 17/11/2022 16:45

PeppaBaconButty · 17/11/2022 16:39

I’m on universal credit OP and living in poverty. And for you to say 24k is a low income is frankly insulting to people on UC living off £340 a month

24k for a family of 4 with no benefit top is very low, just because yours is lower, doesn’t mean theirs isn’t low. However OP luckily has more than a years income in savings and can go back to work if she chooses.

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carefulcalculator · 17/11/2022 16:45

BzzzzzOff · 17/11/2022 15:30

Thanks for all the responses, I thought I'd get burned at the stake so it's refreshing to see that others do get where I'm coming from.

Just to clarify my use of "reckless":

I am Person A - I knew I wanted to be a SAHM so I budgeted accordingly and we accepted we could not upsize until later on, as we could not do that and remain self sufficient.

Person B, on the other hand, decided to buy the bigger house anyway (or piss it up the wall on holidays and cars, whatever), despite knowing that they'd struggle if they wanted to have children and would probably need to claim benefits.

It really annoys me that Person B has their big house / new cars but is now eligible for benefits. But because I chose the sensible option, I will now lose my savings and never have the things that Person B recklessly splurged on.

I'm not putting this very well, but I am absolutely NOT saying that all/most people on benefits are reckless. Not at all. However, I really hate how the current system pays out for those who ARE reckless. I know a couple of Person B types and I'm afraid that yes, I do feel rather resentful about it.

This type of bitterness only affects your own mental health.

I've also done what the state considers the 'right thing'. I don't understand your mentality, it wouldn't occur to me to change my life in response to a couple of people.

Why not start dealing drugs instead? I hear that pays really well.

Gumreduction · 17/11/2022 16:45

FortSalem86 · 17/11/2022 16:39

No. She wouldn't be. Even if she had no savings I suspect she would be entitled to less than £100 unless the children have disabilities. They don't help with the mortgage.

You are absolutely incorrect.

2 children under 5.
£24 income
The family would be entitled to at least £585

picklemewalnuts · 17/11/2022 16:46

An elderly relative who has been careful all his life is now splashing out on a new tv, three mobility scooters (don't ask) and various other little luxuries. His wife has gone into a home, he is headed the same way, and resents paying for care.

FortSalem86 · 17/11/2022 16:48

Gumreduction · 17/11/2022 16:45

You are absolutely incorrect.

2 children under 5.
£24 income
The family would be entitled to at least £585

Well yeah if they were earning £24. They earn more than us with two children of a similar age and a mortgage. We get £200ish. How would she get that amount?!?

Dreamwhisper · 17/11/2022 16:48

FortSalem86 · 17/11/2022 16:39

No. She wouldn't be. Even if she had no savings I suspect she would be entitled to less than £100 unless the children have disabilities. They don't help with the mortgage.

I get 2 child allowance for DC with no additional needs and earn 24k and I definitely do not get less than £100. I don't want to share exact figures but excluding rent it's still a few hundred. No childcare costs.

Gumreduction · 17/11/2022 16:50

If you blew it on a holiday - that would be deprivation of assets

paying off mortgage - in not world whatever would this be regarded by DWP / HMRC as deprivation of assets

SavingKitten · 17/11/2022 16:50

Gumreduction · 17/11/2022 16:45

You are absolutely incorrect.

2 children under 5.
£24 income
The family would be entitled to at least £585

No you are incorrect, no idea were you are getting your figures from but you are wrong. Even OP doesn’t think she’d be entitled to that much.

Gumreduction · 17/11/2022 16:51

Dreamwhisper · 17/11/2022 16:48

I get 2 child allowance for DC with no additional needs and earn 24k and I definitely do not get less than £100. I don't want to share exact figures but excluding rent it's still a few hundred. No childcare costs.

Exactly.

a lot of people spout nonsense.

going on one of the government benefit calculators if you insist on spouting that op would be entitled to less than £100

FortSalem86 · 17/11/2022 16:51

Dreamwhisper · 17/11/2022 16:48

I get 2 child allowance for DC with no additional needs and earn 24k and I definitely do not get less than £100. I don't want to share exact figures but excluding rent it's still a few hundred. No childcare costs.

I still don't think it would be too much more than a couple of hundred though. Unfortunately us house owners get no help really!

Artygirlghost · 17/11/2022 16:51

I would.

It seems we are being squeezed and penalised for doing the ''right thing'' at the moment.

You have to look after yourself.

Gumreduction · 17/11/2022 16:52

SavingKitten · 17/11/2022 16:50

No you are incorrect, no idea were you are getting your figures from but you are wrong. Even OP doesn’t think she’d be entitled to that much.

Go on the gov calculators

Really - two children under 5
on an income of £24k with no other income whatsoever.
it will be in excess of £575

ScotsLassie322 · 17/11/2022 16:52

BzzzzzOff · 17/11/2022 14:12

Well aware that I'm about to get flamed for this, but I am fed up with being penalised for being responsible with my money.

DH and I have £30k in savings, which was intended to go towards our next house when the DC start school and I go back to work. Currently I am a SAHM with two toddlers, and DH is on a low income (£24k). We just about manage without needing to dip into our savings, but from next year they will start depleting pretty rapidly as our energy fix comes to an end.

I know how lucky we are to have plenty of savings, but I am really upset that if we'd been reckless and bought the bigger house before having children then we could be on benefits now and receiving all this extra help. As it is, we'll probably never be able upsize as our savings will be gone.

So, I think I'm going to stick £25k onto our mortgage, keeping £5k in the bank, and start claiming Universal Credit. Could this be considered deprivation of assets? Frankly don't care if this is "immoral", I am just wondering how careful I need to be in order to protect the savings I worked so hard for.

I'm quite sure you can't claim UC with savings like yours. Why would you think you can? £24,000 isn't low enough either.

sheepdogdelight · 17/11/2022 16:52

Leaving the benefits question aside, it makes no sense to have 30K in savings unless the interest rate is greater than your mortgage rate (which seems pretty unlikely). So I don't think it's immoral to pay money off the mortgage as you should have done this by now anyway.

Reallybadidea · 17/11/2022 16:52

Cornettoninja · 17/11/2022 15:04

I am really upset that if we'd been reckless

right there in the first post. Second to last paragraph.

But she wasn't referring to benefits claimants there was she? The lack of reading comprehension on MN never fails to astound me.

manetsmuse · 17/11/2022 16:54

Surely the whole point of savings is so that you have some money in case something comes up or there are hard times and you have something to fall back on.

Gumreduction · 17/11/2022 16:54

Reallybadidea · 17/11/2022 16:52

But she wasn't referring to benefits claimants there was she? The lack of reading comprehension on MN never fails to astound me.

The poster probably didn’t even read the op

just saw one about benefits and presumed that it must be attacking her and so off she fires

Floomobal · 17/11/2022 16:54

I hope it’s counted as deprivation of assets and you’re turned down for benefits.

What a fucking tone deaf situation - £30k in savings and wanting fucking sympathy.

lieselotte · 17/11/2022 16:55

Unfortunately the cost of living crisis could not have been anticipated, so we are now having to dip into the savings. We weren't before

So you need to get a job. With two small children you probably will need to work around your partner's hours as childcare is so expensive. What did you do pre-kids?

ivykaty44 · 17/11/2022 16:56

www.uceplus.co.uk/deprivation

many people overpay their mortgage, they also wouldn't be considered to have deprived themselves of funding to gain access to benefits

Gumreduction · 17/11/2022 16:57

Floomobal · 17/11/2022 16:54

I hope it’s counted as deprivation of assets and you’re turned down for benefits.

What a fucking tone deaf situation - £30k in savings and wanting fucking sympathy.

Of course it won’t be
and rightfully so
not a holiday to Maldives
Securing housing for a family of four with rocketing inflation

and I fail to see the “sympathy” being requested.

a £24k income where I live in the SE for a family of 4 - would most definitely elicit sympathy in any event

FortSalem86 · 17/11/2022 16:57

Gumreduction · 17/11/2022 16:52

Go on the gov calculators

Really - two children under 5
on an income of £24k with no other income whatsoever.
it will be in excess of £575

Honestly they are really inaccurate. Anyway it is all semantics.

ivykaty44 · 17/11/2022 16:58

@Floomobal its not as its a debt