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NHS Trans kids public consultation OPEN

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DoesNotApply · 11/11/2022 20:04

The NHS have opened a Public Consultation on the guidelines for treating children who identify as trans.

It was a little difficult to find on their website so here is the link:

www.engage.england.nhs.uk/specialised-commissioning/gender-dysphoria-services/

I'm sure they didn't mean to put it in a hard-to-find corner of their website, down 3 flights of stairs and past a padlocked door marked "There be Dragons" 😂

Anyone can comment until it closes on the 4th December.

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Derock · 13/11/2022 09:56

Some people have asked for guidance on how to respond. It’s important we do respond as many good things in this consultation, which the TAs will be seeking to undermine. Here are my suggestions.(I’m a retired doctor.)

  1. To what extent do you agree with the four substantive changes to the service specification listed in the supporting documents?
  • Composition of the clinical team?
    Agree (because this will allow these children’s other mental health problems to be addressed.)

  • Clinical leadership? Agree or Partially Agree (there are pros and cons.)

  • Collaboration with referrers and local services? Agree or Partially Agree (will restrict the numbers of children admitted to the service to those most in need)

  • Referral Sources? Agree (end to self-referrals)

  1. To what extent do you agree that the interim service specification provides sufficient clarity about approaches towards social transition? Suggested response: Agree (although you might like to see this advice go further)

  2. To what extent do you agree with the approach to the management of patients accessing prescriptions from un-regulated sources? Suggested response: Agree (NHS will not take over prescribing of illegal drugs)

  3. Are there any other changes or additions to the interim service specification that should be considered in order to support Phase 1 services to effectively deliver this service?

You may add your own thoughts here, but here are some suggestions…

Will healthcare professionals operate outside the service/guidelines and how will this be stopped?

The new service must make a clean break from the discredited Tavistock service. How will this be achieved if the same therapists move over into the new one?

Will WPATH standards be discarded? (of course we think they should)

Where is the service for detransitioners and desistors?

Extend the age cut-off limit from 18 to older (I suggest 24, because this is age range for children’s cancer services.)

Puddywoodycat · 13/11/2022 11:13

@DoesNotApply

Thanks for this, it needs to be more widely known.

Thanks to the posters who have understood the questions in it.

For me personally aside from the horror show of all this happening to youngest children by other huge problem with it is the fact that girls/women's with polycystic ovarian syndrome get zero to 000.1 % of help.

No easy access to drugs, laser's for facial hair, help for hair loss.

The NHS doesn't care about nature enforcing a gender transformation on girls and women who don't want one???

endofthelinefinally · 13/11/2022 11:49

I think they have made it deliberately difficult to complete by putting the information in a different place from the questions. Having to click backwards and forwards would be enough to put a lot of people off. I will go back to it when I have time to read it properly, make notes, then go to the questions.

DoesNotApply · 13/11/2022 12:29

Derock · 13/11/2022 09:56

Some people have asked for guidance on how to respond. It’s important we do respond as many good things in this consultation, which the TAs will be seeking to undermine. Here are my suggestions.(I’m a retired doctor.)

  1. To what extent do you agree with the four substantive changes to the service specification listed in the supporting documents?
  • Composition of the clinical team?
    Agree (because this will allow these children’s other mental health problems to be addressed.)

  • Clinical leadership? Agree or Partially Agree (there are pros and cons.)

  • Collaboration with referrers and local services? Agree or Partially Agree (will restrict the numbers of children admitted to the service to those most in need)

  • Referral Sources? Agree (end to self-referrals)

  1. To what extent do you agree that the interim service specification provides sufficient clarity about approaches towards social transition? Suggested response: Agree (although you might like to see this advice go further)

  2. To what extent do you agree with the approach to the management of patients accessing prescriptions from un-regulated sources? Suggested response: Agree (NHS will not take over prescribing of illegal drugs)

  3. Are there any other changes or additions to the interim service specification that should be considered in order to support Phase 1 services to effectively deliver this service?

You may add your own thoughts here, but here are some suggestions…

Will healthcare professionals operate outside the service/guidelines and how will this be stopped?

The new service must make a clean break from the discredited Tavistock service. How will this be achieved if the same therapists move over into the new one?

Will WPATH standards be discarded? (of course we think they should)

Where is the service for detransitioners and desistors?

Extend the age cut-off limit from 18 to older (I suggest 24, because this is age range for children’s cancer services.)

That's very useful and some great questions too.

I can't quite believe the implications of the surveys questions!

It suggests that they were allowing staff that were not medically qualified doctors 😲 to put children onto potentially non- reversible, life changing pathways, without the required input of say, an autism specialist where the child had autism.

That if the child was being sent experimental drugs via unregulated channels there was no protocol to even discourage that, let alone report it.😱

It's so important to respond! It's only 7 questions and it's anonymous.

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superdupernova · 13/11/2022 12:37

What do you put for "in what capacity are you responding?".

DoesNotApply · 13/11/2022 13:44

-General public
-Parent
-Other
It's up to you I think.

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LynneBenfield · 29/11/2022 12:15

This consultation is still open. It closes 4th Dec, so bumping for the last few days, for those who may be interested and haven’t seen it Brew

Vebrithien · 29/11/2022 12:37

Done!

I included about how will young people with disabilities, and detransitioners, be safeguarded.

LynneBenfield · 03/12/2022 12:10

Closes tomorrow folks (4/12/22), please add your thoughts and share if you haven’t already Smile. This is very much under the radar so let’s get it out there for the final few hours

LynneBenfield · 03/12/2022 20:09

For the evening folks

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