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Do I keep on being friendly, or do I just give up?

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eyeslikebutterflies · 07/11/2022 14:57

I'd like some opinions from the MN massive! BIL has made it clear that he doesn't like me / us. No big falling out, he just doesn't bother with us. When we do see him he's like a stranger at a dinner party: he sort of glazes over when I ask him anything and just gives bland replies, never asks about us/me. Last time he and his partner visited it was so weird... they left early and went for lunch in our neighbourhood by themselves before they drove home (we found out later). Even though we'd spent the weekend taking them out, paid for activities, etc.

It does hurt, and as I do (did) love him and thought he was family. But he's so distant, and I get the sense there's a lot of judging going on. He's always surprised when he finds out I've done something "good" (I do a lot of volunteering, for example, but don't tell people about it, and when he found out he couldn't hide his amazement that I'd do such a thing. I've been volunteering all my life). He also lavishes attention on other family member's kids but basically ignores mine, and that hurts a lot. He used to be really active in their lives. Any messages on our group WhatsApp of mine he ignores, and he never asks after any of us (even when we've had some pretty life-changing things happen ).

So, my conundrum. After their last visit I thought it was time I accepted that he and his partner don't like us / me, won't tell us why, and I need to learn to live with that. Which would mean pulling back. But now he's expecting a baby. My first instinct would be to be supportive, message at key milestones, etc. but do I behave like I used to behave, even though it's clear they don't give a shiny shit about me and my kids, or do I pull back as planned, and leave all the comms to my DH, his brother?? It feels so weird not to be my usual self but equally it really hurts that he / they dislike me so very much. Any ideas?

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eyeslikebutterflies · 07/11/2022 17:28

Hopeful bump

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ICanHideButICantRun · 07/11/2022 17:29

I'd leave absolutely everything to your husband.

Elsanore · 07/11/2022 17:32

ICanHideButICantRun · 07/11/2022 17:29

I'd leave absolutely everything to your husband.

Sorted.

Lampshadered · 07/11/2022 17:36

Some families aren't close.

DH isn't close to his family so I have followed his lead and am polite when we see each other but I don't contact them. I'm very close to my family and they like DH and he likes them but he doesn't contact them independently of me.

Leave all contact to your DH.

Pixiedust1234 · 07/11/2022 17:43

Let your husband handle his family. I'm confused as to whether its just you that BIL doesn't like or DH too. There might be stuff from childhood that you aren't seeing.

Mumoftwoinprimary · 07/11/2022 17:43

ICanHideButICantRun · 07/11/2022 17:29

I'd leave absolutely everything to your husband.

Agree. I like both my BILs but have never really communicated with them directly in 22 years of marriage.

I occasionally communicate with one of my SILs (ie BIL’s wife) but only about practical matters when dh is being annoyingly vague. “What time did you want us to come round on Xmas day?”

IncessantNameChanger · 07/11/2022 17:46

ICanHideButICantRun · 07/11/2022 17:29

I'd leave absolutely everything to your husband.

1000% this. You don't need to deal or manage problems that in reality are his to deal with.

RefuseTheLies · 07/11/2022 17:52

I message my sil directly about twice a year. Leave the relationship to your husband. You can’t make people like you.

Nutmeg321 · 07/11/2022 17:53

Don’t set yourself on fire to keep others warm. He sounds hard work - I’d be saving my energy for people who appreciate and reciprocate.

Lovemelovemydoggie · 07/11/2022 17:55

I think the more you put yourself out there, the more chance you have to be hurt. Be polite and message for birthdays and Christmas.

BagOfBollocks · 07/11/2022 17:55

Just leave it to his brother.

Donepaying · 07/11/2022 17:58

ICanHideButICantRun · 07/11/2022 17:29

I'd leave absolutely everything to your husband.

No more to be said .

eyeslikebutterflies · 07/11/2022 17:58

Thanks everyone, you're telling me what I know (in my heart of hearts). We used to be close, and DH used to be super close when they were growing up. Something has happened along the way but we don't know what. I just find it hard to let go because it means letting go of the hope that things will go back to the way they were. And it makes me so very, very sad that my kids have effectively lost their uncle.

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eyeslikebutterflies · 07/11/2022 17:59

Nutmeg321 · 07/11/2022 17:53

Don’t set yourself on fire to keep others warm. He sounds hard work - I’d be saving my energy for people who appreciate and reciprocate.

That's a very good way of putting it.

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Nintendonasalspray · 07/11/2022 18:01

Yup. Leave DH to get on with it.

They'll probably try to worm their way back in now they have a child of their own.

BagOfBollocks · 07/11/2022 18:06

It's possible your DH knows why but he's not telling you.

I wouldn't push anymore.

eyeslikebutterflies · 07/11/2022 18:19

No, he's as mystified as I am. We have a very honest and open relationship; we've both had long conversations about why he's gone from being close with us to basically pushing us away. But there's nothing obvious, even taking into account their childhoods and family dynamic. I find it so hard because I did / do consider him part of my family, it makes me so sad.

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SavingsThreads · 07/11/2022 18:24

Has anyone asked him what's up?

MrsPerfect12 · 07/11/2022 18:29

Why not just ask? Is his wife/partner frosty too?

mamabear715 · 07/11/2022 18:39

It IS sad, but it seems you've tried & tried. Time to gently back off.

Flowersinspringgrowwild · 07/11/2022 18:45

I firmly believe in general people need to speak up about what’s upset them ie it’s not your job to go chasing after BIL wondering what the issue is. But on this occasion, given DH and BIL were so close - doesn’t your DH want to ask before you effectively cut ties? It’s his brother.

eyeslikebutterflies · 07/11/2022 19:16

That's what I've said to DH. That they're brothers, so isn't it worth trying to get to the bottom of it? But DH reckons BIL will get defensive and deny there's anything wrong (and will then get worse), even if asked in a non-confrontational way (like "we used to be close and it feels like we've drifted, why is that"). I'd have a go, if it was my brother, but DH doesn't want to.

It just seems such a bloody shame, wasting the relationship for the want of BIL saying "hey, you know back in 2018 you did this thing...." (or whatever). Or maybe he just disapproves of our life or how we raise our kids or... I don't know. It makes me feel really shitty, like I've failed a test when I didn't even know there was one. Why not just say what's bothering you, especially with (non-toxic, deffo not narcisstic honest) family?

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