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How is Elon Musk able to subvert U.K. employment law?

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RocOn · 04/11/2022 13:29

It’s my understanding that to dismiss someone who has more than two years’ experience, there either has to be gross misconduct, or a redundancy consultation and process. How is he able to fire such employees on the spot today?

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LondonWolf · 05/11/2022 17:32

So because of what the well paid most senior staff / owners did, you are going to be happy that people lose their jobs? You do realise that the vast majority of those losing their jobs are quite ordinary working people who need their income - people just like you? That's like being delighted that the P&O ferry workers lost their jobs because you don't like Sultan Ahmed bin Sulayem. Disgusting attitude to British workers being made redundant. Or anyone elses, for that matter. Let's hope you and your loved ones don't one day lose your jobs, eh? Because it'd be hard that nobody cared, wouldn't it?

You know fine well what that poster is saying. It's this kind of hyperbolic attempts to scold and shame - so prevalent on Twitter, and often on here, that has led to people wanting to see the demise of Twitter as it stands and all that that entails - job losses etc. Don't blame that poster for the serious political interference and misuse of that platform, which has directly led to to these job losses.

It's a shame for those people but being happy there's a glitch in the matrix is not the same as being happy people have lost their jobs. That was an inevitable consequence of the power craziness from the high ups at Twitter.

Keyansier · 05/11/2022 17:56

@Quveas
I not on Twitter or anything else

Well then you've got no idea what you're talking about, do you? The (100% correct) summarisation of Twitter by @randomusername02 is far more relevant to this discussion than of your own personal opinion of Elon Musk. @LondonWolf is also correct in their post above too. That site has had overreach and negative stains on society that it extends to the lives of people who don't even use it. Like you.

Coyoacan · 05/11/2022 19:31

they clearly push their own hard left political agenda

What is hard left about twitter? Here in Mexico we are all celebrating because twitter Mexico was in the hands of members of a right-wing party.

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RocOn · 06/11/2022 13:09

KleineDracheKokosnuss · 05/11/2022 16:08

He hasn’t made them redundant.

He gave them all three months notice (they stop. Wing employed in February) and put them on immediate gardening leave.

perfectly legal and very sensible

Er, is it legal though? If they have over two years’ service?

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prh47bridge · 06/11/2022 14:49

RocOn · 06/11/2022 13:09

Er, is it legal though? If they have over two years’ service?

No, it isn't legal unless he is making them redundant. Once you have two years' service, your employer cannot simply dismiss you no matter how much notice they give.

stayathomer · 06/11/2022 15:31

It is interesting though. It's a huge shift in the way we conduct current social discourse. No one is entitled to a job for life. Everyone has challenges around providing for themselves. I'm a single parent. My children are disabled. Last week I was threatened with all my benefits being stopped because I am studying with the OU and because I didn't directly receive any grant or loan money for it, I had no idea I had to tell them. I'm trying to make myself more employable and yet through not making one phone call I could have lost most of my household income. I'm still having surges of anxiety over it. I'm not some Ritchie Rich sneering at The Little People.
Im so sorry for everything you’re going through but people are entitled to some form of job security. When I was in a multinational that was possibly being taken over we had meeting after meeting to explain things to us about our job security. From what I’ve read most people were told the messiah was coming then dumped by email. Not even brought into an office and spoken to gently

Istheworldreallydonefor · 06/11/2022 16:01

@KleineDracheKokosnuss

dear me.

KnittedCardi · 06/11/2022 16:08

prh47bridge · 06/11/2022 14:49

No, it isn't legal unless he is making them redundant. Once you have two years' service, your employer cannot simply dismiss you no matter how much notice they give.

They can with a compromise agreement. Happens a lot in IT. Most people like them as you get a generous lump sum, get sent home, find yourself another job pdq, no issue if you are in IT, and bank the payment.

Thelnebriati · 06/11/2022 16:29

Employers do stuff that's not legal all the time. It can be really difficult and expensive to challenge, and going to a tribunal can backfire on you if you want to work within the same industry.

red4321 · 06/11/2022 19:17

From what I’ve read most people were told the messiah was coming then dumped by email. Not even brought into an office and spoken to gently.

Presenting an alternative view, I worked in investment banking during a recession when there were significant redundancies. The deal was that you were called up to a particular meeting room upstairs on certain days if they were going to make you redundant. So, in an open plan office, we all saw our colleagues traipse up to the lift, get the bad news and then back down to collect their belongings and leave.

It was very public and humiliating for them and I suspect an email in the first instance would have been kinder. Followed by the necessary consultation meetings but at least you have a bit of privacy when you find out the news.

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