Are you a nurse? Or do you work night shifts?

[CrushedPistachios]

Hi, I’m asking for a family member who is a nurse, who was working a night shift on Saturday going in to Sunday morning when the clocks went back and British summer time ended.

her ward manager is saying that she will not be paid for the additional hour she worked, however the agency nurses who’s paper work she signed off does show they worked the additional hour, I was curious if anyone else who is in nursing (or any other night shift worker to be honest) knows if they would receive that hour either as TOIL or as a payment? Many thanks for anyone in the know.

I've never had payment from the NHS for working the extra hour.
But if your on nightshift when the clocks goes forward you don't loose an hour pay either.

Agency staff totally different. They work to the policies of their agency which may well include getting paid the extra hour.

Never been given that hour back in pay! Also don't lose an hours pay when it changes again.

The ward manager is correct. I'm not saying it should be like this but it is. It comes up in conversation at this time every year. No one moans about it in March though of course.

Agency nurses get paid to the hour. So if they're sent home at 2 am sick they'd only be paid til 2am where as permanent staff get paid for the whole night. It works both ways

No don’t get paid for it, idea being that you work the short shift in spring and you don’t lose an hour there. Honestly. Pisses me right off as I never seem to land the short shift!

Thank you for responding. I think it’s all added to her disillusionment with the nhs and the terms and general working conditions.

That’s the least shitty bit of the stick in relation to T’s and C’s I’m afraid.

I haven't worked nights for many years but as others have said, we never got paid for the extra hour but also didn't get deducted if we worked the shorter night when clocks go forward.

I've worked night shifts before not in NHS, assuming she is salaried? If so, I dont think anyone gets paid for the extra hour, NHS or not

I've worked shifts for 20 years with the police. When I first started they adjusted your shift to take into account the extra hour and you started later.
More recently they don't change anything. It's deemed it will average out over career with the clocks going forward and back. I've never been paid extra or had the hr deducted.

Oh absolutely Eddie she’s actually been in nursing for 40 years! So she’s aware, I suppose it was just acknowledging that the trust is paying out far in excess for the agency staff payments that it seemed to put in to focus how they really are at the bottom of the pile.

Roll on retirement!

Never been paid for it

when I was nhs we didn’t get paid. It went on your time sheet and averaged out elsewhere.

i am no longer nhs- in this job we would get TOIL for that extra hour. However when the clocks go forward would owe an hour which we could take as TOIL/AL or whatever.

Yep, same here, no extra hour paid unless you are agency

Our trust pays it

Plus they don't subtract an hour when the clocks go forward

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Worked nights over a couple of different jobs and never been paid for the extra hour but also never been docked for the one in March where you do an hour less, as a pp said though I seem to have worked far more of the October one than the March one!

Nah, you’re just expected to do the short night the following year. Which never actually happens as everyone forgets/doesn’t fit in with shift patterns etc etc.