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Is it legal for 16 year old to work til 11 pm?

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UpsilonPi · 29/10/2022 20:11

I have tried looking at government website but I remain unclear.
Could anyone tell me what hours a 16 year old (Year 11, so still very much at school) is allowed to work during term time. This would be in hospitality/restaurant/hotel. This is in England.
Can they do a shift of 5-11 pm on a Friday and Saturday night?
It seems really late to me. DS's friend is doing this and DS is looking to work in the same place.

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PeloFondo · 29/10/2022 20:15

Pretty sure it's fine, I used to do similar and they were really hot on the guidelines (I was employed from 13)

Afolnerd · 29/10/2022 20:16

I don’t know the official answer but I know the rules from my work, which is a huge retail company. We aren’t allowed to let anyone under the age of 18 work past 10pm. So I would assume the same for hospitality.

HeBeaverandSheBeaver · 29/10/2022 20:18

Dd works at a local hotel with golf
Club. They seem pretty lax with laws there

She is 16 (17) in near future.

She has worked till 12am with no manager present. Just another 22 yo staff member
She work bar alone many times with no supervision or manager which I'm
Pretty sure is illegal in there part.

UpsilonPi · 29/10/2022 20:19

This is from the government website - this would mean Friday evening shift not possible. This looks to me stricter than I was expecting.

Term time rules
During term time children can only work a maximum of 12 hours a week. This includes:
a maximum of 2 hours on school days and Sundays
a maximum of 5 hours on Saturdays for 13 to 14-year-olds, or 8 hours for 15 to 16-year-olds

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HeBeaverandSheBeaver · 29/10/2022 20:19

Thanks @PeloFondo

That's a useful link. I will raise the midnight thing if it happens again

Takingabreakagain · 29/10/2022 20:22

Hospitality is different from retail - under 18s can work until midnight in certain circumstances. This is from further down the page on the link that @PeloFondo posted

Is it legal for 16 year old to work til 11 pm?
UpsilonPi · 29/10/2022 20:22

HeBeaverandSheBeaver · 29/10/2022 20:18

Dd works at a local hotel with golf
Club. They seem pretty lax with laws there

She is 16 (17) in near future.

She has worked till 12am with no manager present. Just another 22 yo staff member
She work bar alone many times with no supervision or manager which I'm
Pretty sure is illegal in there part.

Interesting. I guess your DD is in Y12/college though, which I think makes a difference?
If companies are being lax about the law, could this mean the 16 year olds are not insured, etc?
I am such a stickler for rules, but I don't want to scupper DS's job opportunity.

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madnesss · 29/10/2022 20:23

11pm is not 'really late' for a 16 year old.

UpsilonPi · 29/10/2022 20:24

Takingabreakagain · 29/10/2022 20:22

Hospitality is different from retail - under 18s can work until midnight in certain circumstances. This is from further down the page on the link that @PeloFondo posted

I saw this. But would that not be more for expectional circumstances and being given a weekly 5-11 shift.
And what the 2 hours only on weekdays?

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SavingsThreads · 29/10/2022 20:24

None of this applies to Ops child, as it's for kids after y11.

You need www.gov.uk/child-employment/restrictions-on-child-employment which shows your kid can't work past 7pm plus a lot of other restrictions. Not sure she'll thank you though.

UpsilonPi · 29/10/2022 20:26

madnesss · 29/10/2022 20:23

11pm is not 'really late' for a 16 year old.

I meant to be working.
Do you know lots of 16 year olds who work past 11 pm?

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Comefromaway · 29/10/2022 20:27

I’m pretty certain it isn’t legal for a year 11. I used to employ a 16 year old year 11 and age could only work until 7pm.

once she was past the last Friday in June of year 11 she could work longer.

madnesss · 29/10/2022 20:28

I meant to be working.

Working, socialising, watching TV - what difference does it make? It's not really late.

Do you know lots of 16 year olds who work past 11 pm?

No, but you didn't say past 11pm, you said until 11pm.

HeBeaverandSheBeaver · 29/10/2022 20:32

I don't personally like her working late if there is no actual manager in the building It's a bar and people
Can get lairy even if it is a golf club.

Another young person with no management experience is not enough

But yes she is in sixth form so I guess rules are different plus it's catering/bar.

Hoping to get her into a supermarket or shop before long but they seem to not be interested if you have no work experience so sticking it out for the short term.

UpsilonPi · 29/10/2022 20:33

madnesss · 29/10/2022 20:28

I meant to be working.

Working, socialising, watching TV - what difference does it make? It's not really late.

Do you know lots of 16 year olds who work past 11 pm?

No, but you didn't say past 11pm, you said until 11pm.

So you do know some who work til 11 pm? In what kind of jobs?

I am looking for what is legal in this situation, not what people consider personally to be early/late for teenagers.

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Duvetdweller · 29/10/2022 20:36

We don’t employ anyone until y12 - too restrictive (hospitality). Also need to fill in specific risk assessment

madnesss · 29/10/2022 20:36

I'm in Scotland so I think probably different laws as it is not at all unusual for 16 year olds to work a 5-11 shift waiting or in supermarkets. Sorry I didn't even think about there being a difference.

UpsilonPi · 29/10/2022 20:42

madnesss · 29/10/2022 20:36

I'm in Scotland so I think probably different laws as it is not at all unusual for 16 year olds to work a 5-11 shift waiting or in supermarkets. Sorry I didn't even think about there being a difference.

I don't think it's different in Scotland as such, but I do think that it depends on when in the year they turn 16. So if DS was Y12 it would not be so restrictive and lots of children are still 16 in Y12.
So less restrictive after GCSEs/national exams Scotland, more restrictive before.

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HorribleHerstory · 29/10/2022 20:44

I do know lots of 16 year olds who work past 11pm as I have two teenagers with lots of friends and lots of friends with teenagers. They do a lot of babysitting jobs and charge extra after midnight. Several have pot wash and glass collect or wait table jobs and finish past 11pm at weekends. I had a wait staff job at 16 and worked past 11 because the last bus home was 10.45, some jobs paid for a taxi home but many didn’t so walking home was pretty usual and it was 5 miles.

my DC work past 11pm but only on weekends at the moment , holidays it’s up to them.

UpsilonPi · 29/10/2022 20:47

HorribleHerstory · 29/10/2022 20:44

I do know lots of 16 year olds who work past 11pm as I have two teenagers with lots of friends and lots of friends with teenagers. They do a lot of babysitting jobs and charge extra after midnight. Several have pot wash and glass collect or wait table jobs and finish past 11pm at weekends. I had a wait staff job at 16 and worked past 11 because the last bus home was 10.45, some jobs paid for a taxi home but many didn’t so walking home was pretty usual and it was 5 miles.

my DC work past 11pm but only on weekends at the moment , holidays it’s up to them.

Is this in GCSE year (assuming England)?

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ithoughtitmihtbenicetochat · 29/10/2022 20:51

I did this at age 16-18
Worked 5 til close in a takeaway, usually until 11, occasionally later as we stopped taking orders at 10.30pm.

OverTheHillAndDownTotherSide · 29/10/2022 20:55

Crickey. I started work at 15 in a local hotel. At 16 (yr 11) I was working 2 school nights a week till 11pm and BLDs (7am to 11pm (or later)) on Saturdays and Sundays. It paid for my driving lessons, first car and insurance!

Comefromaway · 29/10/2022 20:57

i personally would not want my child working for anyone who was breaking basic employment law.

Employers of anyone in year 11 need to obtain a work permit from the local authority for the young person, do a specific risk assessment and the young person has to be limited to working very limited hours.

summergone · 29/10/2022 21:02

My dd did , worked for a catering co. they would do catering a for weddings by the time everything was washed up , cleared up it would very often be gone 11

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