Expats's baby British passport

[PassportPolly]

I've posted before under a different name and got mixed responses.

We are a Northern Irish family living in Italy. We all have British and Irish passports, except our baby who was born here. The Irish passport was a total disaster and we still don't have it (long story) but she has a British passport.

We used her British passport to take her home to NI in July. At the end of August (around 20th) we brought her back to Italy on same passport without any issues.

We are flying to another EU country next week for a few days.
As this is within the 90 days, should we have any concerns about our baby leaving or re-entering Italy?

I need to reapply for baby's Irish passport so that will be a work in progress. So, what do we do when the 90 days is up? Do I really need to take her out of the EU, eg fly to the UK with her? Or is there a different arrangement if she is the child of residents? She is not yet resident as we are waiting for the Irish passport to commence that process.

I tried contacting the British embassy but got no word back.

Can someone please give me some advice about this. Thank you.

Just for reference: even though our baby was born in Italy she is not entitled to automatic Italian citizenship as neither parent is Italian.

Your baby surely have permanent residency documents though?

Our toddler ( and us) has British passport, and article 50 residency documents. He was born before dec 2020, but as long as parents were in country before then, non Eu citizens can also get article 50 residency for children born after that date.

To fly we issue passport and residency card. They then do not stamp passport in and out of the country, so we are exempt for 90 days

So much easier to get the Carta di Soggiorno and be done with it as so many computer systems ask automatically for the permseso di Soggiorno whch Brits don[t have any many people have not been able to get a mortgage, buy a house and in some cases get a job. there have also been problems with the tessere sanitaria. If you were resident and you have the documentation to prove it before 30 Dec then strongly suggest you apply for it via the questura. It is easy. They should be available in all regisons as its on the main Police x stranieriwebiste I also travel lots and just shove the CDS under the noses before the passport. and so far it has worked . Amsetrdam were not so keen and huffed and puffed a bit.

Thing is, I don't need a permesso to be here as I'm Irish. Once baby's Irish passport arrives, all will be good in the hood. Its just this short term problem of her having re-entered Italy on a British passport.

I don’t think you can travel then. Our British passport for baby took 8 months due to him born right at start of covid. We couldn’t leave the country with him.

Yes, unfortunately I'm in the Arse End of beyond and the questura here has set up the email address to make an appointment to go and apply for one, but the service hasn't been activated yet.
No, me neither 🤣

@Rosa hello you! We know each other from elsewhere in cyberspace and you should now by now we do things differently down here!
I'm sure we'll get there eventually!

Your baby is an Irish citizen regardless of passport, so I am not sure why you would need to leave Italy. Can you get an Irish birth cert from the Irish Embassy? That should be enough proof that she is an Irish citizen.

Why do you think we can't travel? Sorry, I'm being a bit thick and don't think I understand.

@PassportPolly - a British passport with no residency permit only allows max 90days in eu.
If baby travelled on British passport into Italy back, they have likely now used up the 90 days in 180 days allowed. So if you travel out into another Eu country you will be exceeding it. You can get around it by leaving Schengen or eu countries for holiday until Irish passport arrives

You also be able to get emergency travel documents from Irish embassy

I agree with @CardiCorgi, I have only ever been checked when leaving or entering the Schengen area, although admittedly I have only travelled inside Schengen by road!

Does her 'time' start from when she first entered the country on the British Passport? She was born in February but didn't get a passport until July. At that point we went home to Ireland and re-entered at the end of August. Its so confusing!

@PassportPolly - I’m not 100%. But I think it’s when she first entered on British passport. So feb- July don’t count.

So 90 days in 180 would be from the date in August you entered the Eu (Italy) on British passport. Although might be 90 days from leaving Italy also if on that passport and it was logged.

We left Italy and flew into Dublin on 20th July, then returned to italy on August 22. If it started when we entered Dublin, she has technically been in the EU for over 90 days, even though we spent that month over the border in the UK, although obviously there is no evidence of this as there is no hard border between the Republic and Northern Ireland. Honestly I'm just so confused.

Ooh I see that Ireland isn't in the schengen! Am just wondering if the baby's existence as a human being who was born here counts towards her over staying her welcome.