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Will a no fault eviction ban mean less properties available to rent?

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meateatingveggie · 12/10/2022 15:26

Just that really. While it may stop unscrupulous landlords will it mean many decide not to be landlords at all and therefore fewer properties available?

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balalake · 13/10/2022 21:08

I am not sure it will happen.

Then if it does, there will be rental agreements with clauses that make it easy for a landlord to say there is fault- one late payment seems a simple one as an example. Between us I am sure we could come up with a number of creative ones.

woohoowoohoo · 13/10/2022 21:12

Roystonv · 13/10/2022 21:07

How can anyone support a law that means an owner of a item cannot get back that item when it suits them. Landlords are not charities or there to provide housing that the government can't be bothered to. Why are they hated for the very valuable service they provide. The laws surrounding letting are onerous and yet still the devious and criminal get away with it and the law abiding get penalised even more.

Because it's a business and at the moment many landlords are not treating it as such. A tenant should be able to ask for repairs without fearing eviction. It is their home - not the landlords .

LoveJK · 13/10/2022 21:23

Roystonv · 13/10/2022 21:07

How can anyone support a law that means an owner of a item cannot get back that item when it suits them. Landlords are not charities or there to provide housing that the government can't be bothered to. Why are they hated for the very valuable service they provide. The laws surrounding letting are onerous and yet still the devious and criminal get away with it and the law abiding get penalised even more.

I know that it’s an issue of competing rights, but like you I tend to come down on the side of wanting to allow two competent adult parties to be able to enter into a contract that then must be honoured, even when this means that one (the tenant) be required to exit the property immediately the original contract expires.

My view is that contract law, the idea that the state will enforce the terms of a valid private contract, is one of the very foundation stones of our whole society. Carving out an exception that says that a tenant can just hang around, possibly for years, after their rental agreement lapses is not right.

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TonTonMacoute · 13/10/2022 21:51

Many who are accidental landlords will sell up I think, however I doubt it will in sufficient numbers to mean that prices will drop much, and lots of people will have the chance to get on the housing ladder unfortunately. They will probably just be bought by bigger landlords.

Zipps · 13/10/2022 22:39

Making too many rules just puts the smaller investers off and will definitely make the rental market even more competitive. Of course tenants should be protected from the crap landlords, but only them. Some landlords will sell up which is not going to help a situation where 20-30 people are applying for each rental as it is now.
We will probably get more like 40 applicants when one of ours comes up for rent. This government haven't a clue about the lives of ordinary people and seem to want only big property businesses to owns rentals, probably their friends and family.
Some landlords will just leave their properties empty knowing that they will appreciate in value anyway. Roughly double every decade.
We want our tenants to stay as long as possible as long as they keep the property in reasonable condition. We have very nice houses, well maintained, allow pets and want them to make our rental their homes. All landlords that we know are the same. Happy tenants = long term rent.

red4321 · 13/10/2022 22:49

We have very nice houses, well maintained, allow pets and want them to make our rental their homes. All landlords that we know are the same. Happy tenants = long term rent.

My friends that are landlords spend more on maintaining their rental properties than their own homes. They bend over backwards to accommodate requests from their tenants so that they're happy. They're not making much money on the rent itself, in fact they're often making a loss, but hoping for capital appreciation over time.

OhIdoLike2bBesideTheSeaside · 13/10/2022 22:51

We rent our house and our landlord has 3 rental properties all in the same area. Last year he sold one of them and I know the lady vaguely as she has kids at the school mine go too and she had a real battle with him and then she refused to leave so he had to evict her, she hoped this would give her social housing priority and it backfired. She ended up being moved into temporary accommodation but she was given 6 months notice

At the end of the day landlords can give notice at anytime for any reason it's just part of renting.

It has made me and my neighbour (he ours our adjoining semi's!) a bit nervous as we keep waiting for him to evict us but we know thru the grapevine she was unreliable paying rent etc so maybe he'd just had enough????

Rents near us have also really gone up they're very expensive so another issue is if people are served notice - for whatever reason - they are then going to be paying a lot more for a similar property.

Eeksteek · 15/10/2022 01:28

@OhIdoLike2bBesideTheSeaside It’s very likely they are waiting for April to sell another. You have to pay tax on the increase in value, but you get a tax free allowance every tax year. I will most probably do the same. It’s a fairly big chunk of tax.

R0BYN · 15/10/2022 15:09

news.sky.com/story/why-is-the-uks-rental-market-in-chaos-12711971?fbclid=IwAR2RF_oc5hxn3pA87vRXEW3v7JPoS7Us7FTcYGK9gyF-YYxQic6-Jl4BLIs

Its very sad that people like the Op care so little about the tens of thousands of tenants who are going to suffer. Where I live there is already a shortage of properties to rent. When a new one comes on the markets, it’s only online for a few hours and then they pull the advert because they have hundreds of applicants. Only the first 20 or so will even get a viewing.

But I guess these people are just collateral damage 🙁🙁

dollytot · 19/10/2022 18:07

Northernsoullover · 12/10/2022 19:13

In Wales. From December 1st its now 6 month notice. So not scrapped but better (for tenants). Yes, landlords are now issuing Section 21s to beat the deadline.

Do you know how long tenants are given in England? My friend's mum has recently purchased a property and the tenant won't move out, leaving my friend's mum completely stuck. She will lose 20K if she pulls out now...

fyn · 19/10/2022 18:33

@dollytot its two months on a s. 21. If they refuse they’ll have to go to court to regain possession. I think court waiting times for possession is 6-8 months. She’d be better off offering them a cash lump sum to leave to be honest.

dollytot · 19/10/2022 19:18

fyn · 19/10/2022 18:33

@dollytot its two months on a s. 21. If they refuse they’ll have to go to court to regain possession. I think court waiting times for possession is 6-8 months. She’d be better off offering them a cash lump sum to leave to be honest.

Thanks for this. The problem is the tenant has been given a lot of time already (not sure if the S21 has been issued first though) and is saying that she can't find anywhere now because house rentals have gone up too much.This leaves my friend's mum is a dire situation because she has nowhere to go and someone's already waiting to move into her property. The landlord doesn't care because he's winning either way with her still paying rent.

I don't think it's right or fair for friend's mum to be paying tenants to move out due to their problems, but perhaps that's the only way? How much of a lump sum would you suggest @fyn ?

Elphame · 19/10/2022 19:26

It's a disaster waiting to happen.

“Because of Welsh Government legislation private landlords are quickly departing the sector, meaning that there are less homes available to rent. In fact, across Wales, it is expected that a further 49% of landlords are planning to sell a property in the next 12 months."

(www.janetfinchsaunders.org.uk/news/aberconwy-and-wales-housing-crisis-highlighted-national-tv-sylw-i-argyfwng-tai-aberconwy)

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