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Do you think security services are working towards taking Putin out?

57 replies

Buggsilla · 12/10/2022 14:23

Hearing about him cutting power to that nuclear power plant has set me off. This is SO dangerous. I've had it, the man's a terrorist. Do you think behind the scenes special forces are trying to get close to put a hit on him?

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ginnybag · 12/10/2022 16:23

Absolutely not - if only because what you do to one, becomes do-able to another.

Too, it really would be the start of WWIII. Even the attempt is arguably an act of war.

If it happens, it'll happen from within Russia, but that's not automatically going to be a good thing. Whatever prompted Putin to go for the Ukraine, he's a very experienced, long term leader who knows how the game is played very well.

Whoever replaces him, might not be, and its even odds that they'll be more hostile and more trigger happy. There's a hard earned history of 'better the devil you know' when it comes to regime change.

Besides, ultimately, Russia walked itself out of its isolationist, nuclear-threatening political stance once before; it can do so again, should it choose, and there's every reason to think that it will. There's a fair degree of evidence that the population aren't happy with any of this, and as winter drags on, and living conditions toughen and his implemented draft bites, that sentiment is likely to grow.

bellinisurge · 12/10/2022 16:30

"I've sometimes wondered why there isn't a secret international team of assassins who can infiltrate and take out nutjob tyrants including those who declare themselves ruler for life."
Because that is an act of war. This isn't a computer game or a movie. Countries have to sort their own internal politics out.

Would you want them to do it to us?

Chillas · 12/10/2022 16:37

ginghamstarfish · 12/10/2022 16:08

I've sometimes wondered why there isn't a secret international team of assassins who can infiltrate and take out nutjob tyrants including those who declare themselves ruler for life.

Forced and sudden regime change from an outside force rarely ever goes well, it take a lot of money, dead soldiers and years of support to change it to be how you want and still tends to end in disaster. It's never just a case of bang the bad man's gone now everything is fine.
One man is never just one man, they're surrounded by yes men in high power of similar ideology who want to keep their lifestyle, the government institutions, tradition, way of life etc

fromdownwest · 12/10/2022 17:03

Do you have the same rage towards Biden and his US slaugthering of Syrians?
The world is full of evil people, doing evil things.

fromdownwest · 12/10/2022 17:04

bellinisurge · 12/10/2022 16:30

"I've sometimes wondered why there isn't a secret international team of assassins who can infiltrate and take out nutjob tyrants including those who declare themselves ruler for life."
Because that is an act of war. This isn't a computer game or a movie. Countries have to sort their own internal politics out.

Would you want them to do it to us?

Would you attend Tony Blairs funeral? Or George Bush?

Who decides on the victims of this crack team of assassins?

miceonabranch · 12/10/2022 17:06

I reckon Liz Truss and Kwasi Kwarteng could fuck their country up for sure 😄

miceonabranch · 12/10/2022 17:10

fromdownwest · 12/10/2022 17:03

Do you have the same rage towards Biden and his US slaugthering of Syrians?
The world is full of evil people, doing evil things.

www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/biden-airstrikes-syria-retaliating-against-iran-backed-militias-n1258912

Not quite the same really is it?

CPL593H · 12/10/2022 17:23

I'm amazed that so many people seem to think James Bond is going to parachute (it probably has a big Union Flag on it) into whatever bunker Putin is holed up in, so a democracy that has never actually existed in Russia can be "restored".

A better hope is the equivalent of the Praetorian guard assassinating one of the madder Caesars. We just have to hope that whatever replaced him wouldn't be even worse.

fromdownwest · 12/10/2022 17:35

Why not? Becuase the actions have been justified by an American news network?

pigcon1 · 12/10/2022 17:38

No. The Russian people have to resolve this.

miceonabranch · 12/10/2022 17:44

fromdownwest · 12/10/2022 17:35

Why not? Becuase the actions have been justified by an American news network?

Provide evidence that civilians were deliberately targeted then.

MaffsMover · 12/10/2022 17:48

DomesticShortHair · 12/10/2022 15:27

If we really wanted to bring the Russian war machine to a grinding halt, it wouldn’t be the SIS or Special Forces that we’d be sending in. It would be the Health & Safety Executive, Ofsted and National Highways.

That would bring the whole house of cards crashing down. Avanti West Coast could be used as follow up shock troops, to extinguish any last pockets of resistance.

I think Russia are already running the country. Isn’t chaos what they do to achieve power?

fromdownwest · 12/10/2022 17:57

miceonabranch · 12/10/2022 17:44

Provide evidence that civilians were deliberately targeted then.

This is my point, both sides can justify their actions, does not make any of them right.

GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER · 12/10/2022 17:58

As long as it’s Russian Special Forces, I hope so.

blacksax · 12/10/2022 18:14

ginghamstarfish · 12/10/2022 16:08

I've sometimes wondered why there isn't a secret international team of assassins who can infiltrate and take out nutjob tyrants including those who declare themselves ruler for life.

Perhaps it is the nutjob tyrants who employ the secret international teams of assassins?

miceonabranch · 12/10/2022 18:19

fromdownwest · 12/10/2022 17:57

This is my point, both sides can justify their actions, does not make any of them right.

I think invading a peaceful country, deliberately targeting civilians, bombing hospitals, schools and playgrounds, bombing fleeing civilians, stealing their children, raping women and children and torturing people can't really be justified.

MintJulia · 12/10/2022 18:25

No, of course not.

Putin is starting to look weak in front of his own military and that is getting very dangerous. If they depose him, we don't know what will come next. The west won't intervene, regardless.

emmetgirl · 12/10/2022 18:40

I bloody hope so.

PersonaNonGarter · 12/10/2022 18:42

No they absolutely are not. Putin may be evil and dangerous but Russia is full of even more evil and dangerous people who might succeed Putin.

Softplayhooray · 12/10/2022 19:45

There was a BBC journalist assassinated with a poison tipped umbrella once. And some crazy stories here:

www.google.com/amp/s/news.sky.com/story/amp/10-ways-spies-have-tried-to-poison-people-11490974

James Bond was based on all this stuff, not the other way around! Someone trying to take out Putin (I'd assume more likely from the inside) would add to a long list of similar incidents that have happened before. Despotic maniacs rarely face a quiet end.

fromdownwest · 13/10/2022 09:58

miceonabranch · 12/10/2022 18:19

I think invading a peaceful country, deliberately targeting civilians, bombing hospitals, schools and playgrounds, bombing fleeing civilians, stealing their children, raping women and children and torturing people can't really be justified.

Are we otalking about Iraq?

OneFootintheRave · 13/10/2022 14:10

I honestly wake up every morning and check the papers, hoping to read that Putin has sadly fallen out of a Window.

Surely the inner circles must be plotting! And outsiders willing to facilitate. Bit of a tricky topic to raise though Grin

LindyLou2020 · 13/10/2022 15:05

This is possibly going to sound quite naive, and I'd be grateful not to be patronised or ridiculed.
I like to think I'm an intelligent, well-educated grown-up, and I keep up with current affairs, but I just cannot comprehend how ONE MAN is able to cause such chaos and suffering. Not just against the Ukrainian people, but also his own people, particularly sending untrained, ill-equipped Russian men to fight x a war some want no part of.
And that's before you get to the damage he has done to the rest of the world, in particular the catastrophic rise in the cost of energy, fuel, and groceries as a result of his actions. The consequences are far-reaching, as we are fast discovering.
I realise he's got his gang of henchmen around him, but I still find it incredible that one man appears/is allowed to have so much power.
Why is that? I really would like to know.

fromdownwest · 13/10/2022 16:32

LindyLou2020 · 13/10/2022 15:05

This is possibly going to sound quite naive, and I'd be grateful not to be patronised or ridiculed.
I like to think I'm an intelligent, well-educated grown-up, and I keep up with current affairs, but I just cannot comprehend how ONE MAN is able to cause such chaos and suffering. Not just against the Ukrainian people, but also his own people, particularly sending untrained, ill-equipped Russian men to fight x a war some want no part of.
And that's before you get to the damage he has done to the rest of the world, in particular the catastrophic rise in the cost of energy, fuel, and groceries as a result of his actions. The consequences are far-reaching, as we are fast discovering.
I realise he's got his gang of henchmen around him, but I still find it incredible that one man appears/is allowed to have so much power.
Why is that? I really would like to know.

Media manipulation
Fear
Not knowing anyt hing different
Blind devotion (N Korea etc)
Hear mentality

I imagine these are some of the reasons behind, you have to look at it from the Russians perspective. Big bad NATO moving missiles close to us, so we have to defend ourselves from the Nazi's etc...

Look at how the western media and political machine manufactured a route into Iraq. People believe what they are told, and Generally, do as they are told.

ParsleyTL · 13/10/2022 16:51

DomesticShortHair · 12/10/2022 15:27

If we really wanted to bring the Russian war machine to a grinding halt, it wouldn’t be the SIS or Special Forces that we’d be sending in. It would be the Health & Safety Executive, Ofsted and National Highways.

That would bring the whole house of cards crashing down. Avanti West Coast could be used as follow up shock troops, to extinguish any last pockets of resistance.

This is genius

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