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I'm being precious but I need to moan about my young colleagues

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DelightfullyPrecious · 10/10/2022 20:07

I've name changed so I can be as candid as I want in my moan. I work for a really big company and today we had a grad intake welcome day. In my team, I'm the youngest (I'm in my late twenties) and the most junior so I was asked to volunteer to facilitate, mostly because about half of the grads have joined our department and will therefore be people we come into contact with.

My team is a highly specialised (and skilled) team, whereas the grads and anyone joining the department as an apprentice etc. will be a generalist for the first few years of their career, at least until they have a professional qualification and a bit of experience. I'm in a more senior role, although very much in the middle of the hierarchy.

All the new grads were lovely. Interested in what I did in my role, asking how they can get involved and generally just seemed to be getting a lot out of the day. I really enjoyed facilitating for them.

The existing junior colleagues, on the other hand, annoyed me. Over lunch and during the downtimes we spent some time together. I hadn't met a number of them, especially the school leaver apprentices or grads who had joined in the last year or so, so I did a lot of the general introductions and finding out what people were working on etc. Things that wound me up included:

  • I asked someone what they did and they told me they were about to move into a team in the department that I support as technical specialist. I said that sounded great, we'd probably cross paths as I deliver XYZ for the team. I was then given a bit of a speech about how they really should have been placed in that team from the off as they'd studied a module on it at university. I said that sounds great because I know the team have recently won work in that area, which was answered with 'yeah of course I know, I've actually got a call with Mrs A tomorrow about that. Do you know Mrs A? She's actually just been promoted'. - I know A very well, which would have been overwhelmingly clear to anyone who had listened to anything I'd said previously.
  • Someone (who has received written and verbal training/ briefings I've delivered) who mentioned a new joiner to our team and said 'It must be good for you, having someone who has actually got experience in that industry in the team'. They at least had the grace to look a bit embarrassed when I replied I'd actually worked in that industry for four years before my current role.
  • Another person who complained they'd been dragged into a team doing quite boring work, and I said I sympathised because I'd spent the first few years of my career doing that exact thing. They must've just listened, eyes glazed, because they narrated all the very boring procedures they have to perform and gave me a run down of exactly why they had to do it. I said 'I know' quite a bit.

I came away feeling quite pissed off. I know it's just small-talk but we all work in a department of about 120 people so if they stick around it's quite likely they'll be asking me for assistance in the next year or so. Beyond that it just felt like none of them actually gave a shit about what I was saying. It's completely the opposite from how I act when I'm speaking to people senior to me, or to be honest how I spoke to them.

Bloody hell that was long, but I needed to get it off my chest. Yes, I know I'm being precious.

OP posts:
Crikeyalmighty · 10/10/2022 23:20

Exactly @VerveClique

PauliesWalnuts · 10/10/2022 23:21

We take 16 grads over two years, so every other year. They have eight placements in 24 months and get a great view of the organisation. We’re public funded and have four grades - 1,2,3,4 and then Director level. If our grads decide to go for a job when their two years is up they’d go in at level 2. Four of the last intake refused because they didn’t want to start at level 2, it was somehow beneath them. So they left six months ago and none have got a permanent job.

yellowmoon487 · 10/10/2022 23:21

TeddyTonks · 10/10/2022 23:04

Big 4?

I'd put money on it.

SuzySangfroid · 10/10/2022 23:24

Replying to every gripe with "I know I've done it for literally years" sounds massively annoying. One of them may overtake you at some point, so maybe just let it slide and be magnanimous. You being senior to them you can afford to be surely?

DoodlePug · 10/10/2022 23:25

People who moan about their role in work to relative strangers just need to leave. They have not yet learned that telling people your job is crap is just telling them you don't respect yourself or your company.

However your abrieviated replay of the conversation isn't best practice in small talk.

You asked a question, they answered, you started talking about yourself when you should have gone in with a follow up question.

mackthepony · 10/10/2022 23:31

Definitely big 4.

But honestly op, you should be at the smile and nod stage by now. Ah yeah, really??? Etc spiel

LeChat0 · 10/10/2022 23:42

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Withdrawn at OP's request

ArcaneWireless · 11/10/2022 00:05

mrsjack. We see the same.

Not whisky but an industry where I am one of the ‘new ones’ because I’ve only been there 16 years…

namechange3394 · 11/10/2022 07:23

I think you sound extremely difficult to talk to. Your responses sound rather snotty to at least two of them.

Perhaps they were nervous talking to you if you're so senior and working somewhere that hierarchy matters.

NoSquirrels · 11/10/2022 07:40

I know it's just small-talk

It was. Don’t be pissed off over it. None of them did anything so terrible, and I wouldn’t call any of it patronising. Obviously can’t read ‘tone’ in an on-screen recount but being asked if you know someone who’s recently been promoted is not patronising, and being stuck in a convo about processes is boring but that’s about it. The other one who inadvertently made a slightly embarrassing mistake didn’t know - you say they looked embarrassed so they realised.

You think they should have gleaned all this info about you by listening carefully and paying better attention to you. Perhaps. Or perhaps it was a generally busy day with interacting with the grad scheme entrants too.

It's completely the opposite from how I act when I'm speaking to people senior to me

You did want them to treat you as their superior. Try to forget about hierarchy and focus on human relationships- whether that’s upwards or downwards or sideways in seniority. Will stand everyone in better stead.

picklemewalnuts · 11/10/2022 07:47

I think you misunderstood. Person 2 and 3 were just sharing their similar experiences.
3 was offloading about how boring the processes are. Just because you know that, doesn't mean they can't have a moan about how boring they are.
2 was wishing they could have gone straight into their preferred department.
1 was saying 'how nice, there will be more experienced people in your team, you won't have as big a training task as usual.'

It's called letting off steam, a normal part of communication, which isn't just about information exchanges.

BlackberrySky · 11/10/2022 08:02

Yes, you are being precious. You are only a few years ahead of them in your career and they could easily catch up. I think this is what causes your insecurity and desire for them to be deferential. Once you start looking like their mum they stop thinking of you as a peer and more of a mentor.

ZenNudist · 11/10/2022 08:24

It does sound like you want them to recognise your seniority but in reality you are still not high up in the organisation. I am actually senior but my grads are my colleagues not my minions. I'm not interested in deference.

I find that graduates are very me me me. They are still in a childish mode where others ask them questions and they tell you all about themselves! They do get better at conversation after being in the workforce a while.

onlythreenow · 11/10/2022 08:30

I can see what you are getting at OP, and yes, it would annoy the hell out of me also.

EthicalNonMahogany · 11/10/2022 08:31

Replace “young” with black, or disabled, or gay Why? Being young isn't a minoritised group?!

I get it OP, they just didn't seem to get that you knew stuff they didn't. They'll learn, but it is annoying.

HitsAndMrs · 11/10/2022 08:33

You seem up your own arse to be fair.

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