Lucy Letby Court Case

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Today has been the first day of the trial, which is expected to last for six months. One thread has already been pulled on the subject. Upon deletion MNHQ said that a thread about the case is fine but please read the rules around contempt of court before posting... these are copied and pasted here:
Publicly commenting on a court case:

You might be in contempt of court if you speak publicly or post on social media.
For example, you should not:
say whether you think a person is guilty or innocent
refer to someone’s previous convictions
name someone the judge has allowed to be anonymous, even if you did not know this
name victims, witnesses and offenders under 18
name sex crime victims
share any evidence or facts about a case that the judge has said cannot be made public

If any of the above take place then new threads will also be pulled. Let's please try and keep it going!

I’ve just got read this quote from Sky news.

Nick Johnson KC tells the court: “You might get the impression from this case that babies collapsing was a common event in the neonatal unit – after all this was the 3rd in a few days - but this was the first time Child C's assigned nurse had ever seen a collapse and resuscitation - that's how uncommon it was”

This is very true ,randomly, I live in a housing association House and we were having work done on it so were moved into temporary accommodation whilst the work was done ,the housing officer who sorted it all out suddenly appeared on friend suggestions on my Facebook page ,I hadent looked her up ,we had no friends in common I can only assume she looked me up
I know I have searched for ex ,s and ex friends in the past just out of curiosity.

The Facebook searches seem stranger when you read into how often she ‘checked’ on them. Including on Christmas Day. It does seem bordering on obsessive unless she has a reasonable excuse, which they say she doesn’t.

That, in itself, is not evidence of anything, though. Things that have never happened before happen every day. And murder by a medical practitioner is also very rare. There is a big gulf, legally and probabistically, between "a rare thing happened" and "proof of deliberate malicious action".

I think that is prosecution semantics.

It is was earlier reported:
The court has heard Child C was being looked after by a nurse less qualified than Lucy Letby and had been given the responsibility as Child C was stable.

If the assigned nurse was less qualified than the then 25 year old LL it is reasonable to assume that the assigned nurse could also be less experienced in neonatal nursing so will obviously have experienced fewer medical emergencies at that time.

Child F was poisoned with insulin. The prosecutor explains that no other child on the unit had been prescribed insulin and so Child F couldn’t have received the drug intended for some other child by negligence.

Yes, tiny babies are a nightmare to cannulate. When my DS had group B strep and sepsis it was always senior doctors and consultants who had to cannulate him.

Thanks. Just wondered if it was a sign of increased anxiety/suspicion having the consultant involved so he/she could see for themselves one of these unusual collapses.

Intrigued by this court case given how long it took to charge her. Repeated interviews over many years.
Prosecution KC is really leaning heavily on the ‘she was the only consistent feature’ angle.

If you live away from family and do 24 HR /365 day a year type of job, then Christmas is often just like any other day of the year, unless you get lucky with the Christmas roster.

I wouldn't read anything into it.

I think so, but if you compared her behaviour to a random control group of people I bet you'd find a few who are weirdly nosy or obsessive. I know council officers (I'm assuming from SEN Team!) searched my linked in, I know from on here people get obsessive and over invested in eg short term dates etc.

Your phone can recognise when you are in regular close proximity to another phone and add people to the facebook list that way.

I found that out when my 'people you may know' list contained all of the staff in the shop next door and I couldn't understand why as we didn't have mutual friends and they don't know my name.

Random one off searches wouldn't be unusual. But regarding the family of child E, she searched for them once every month between August 2015 to January 2016... which is quite methodical.

@Tillow4ever thank you

You will see upthread that Sky News had to stop their live reporting after naming one of the children involved.
You can find live coverage here as an alternative:
www.northwalespioneer.co.uk/news/23035356.live-trial-lucy-letby-accused-countess-chester-hospital-baby-murders/

My baby was in NICU for a month and we were all (including her of course) completely in the hands of the wonderful nurses.

Maybe I'm not totally convinced ,the lady in question had no photos no info just one of those blackout heads ,i think she was snooping .it just seemed a bit too coincidental.

I read that today that one of the babies had severe bleeding from his mouth when he died, but the parents didn't want a post mortem and the doctor on call and coroner's office agreed. Is that normal practice, particularly given they couldn't explain the profuse bleeding? The doctor said it was the most severe bleeding they'd ever seen in a baby that small. I find it very confusing - alarming, even - that the professionals didn't request a post mortem.

I think sometimes parents in such a traumatic situation cannot bear the thought of their child being put through any further procedures. It's too distressing and traumatising on top of what has already happened.
Why a consultant wouldn't think it necessary I don't know. I can only think they may have wanted to comply with the parent's wishes after all they had been through.

Child F was poisoned with insulin

I wonder if whoever did give the insulin (and if it was given maliciously as opposed to by mistake ), believed that there weren't routine checks on this particular medication post mortem, or that it was now possible to check for this particular medication post mortem ?

The Prosecution have stated that LL tried to kill Child G 3 times.

• Child G was born in a different hospital at 23 weeks old and was transferred to Chester hospital.
• She was there for 3 weeks and doing well when she unexpectedly started vomiting and showed signs of infection
• She was transferred back to the hospital she was born at and made a remarkable recovery
• Once recovered, Child G was transferred back to Chester hospital
• Prosecution claim that LL gave Child G milk via a tube and in little under a hour Child G projectile vomited twice and stopped breathing
• Neurological differences have been noted in Child G and an MRI scan has revealed that she has irreversible brain damage (poor baby 😔)
• ”There had been "no significant issues" with child G "until Lucy Letby got involved", “Putting it simply the milk in her vomit did not come from nowhere. That doesn't happen by accident," Mr Johnson said.”

allegedly killed by a nurse. Please be very careful in your use of language as the trial is ongoing.

People may be interested in a similar case from 40 years ago, in Toronto: multiple baby deaths. A nurse was arrested and charged, but the case was dismissed at the preliminary stage.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toronto_hospital_baby_deaths

Why did my comment get deleted? I don’t even remember what I said word for word but I’m sure I answered a question of yours?

Off to Reddit I go…