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White history month. Herero pride. Intl men's day.

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roarfeckingroarr · 06/10/2022 14:38

I absolutely understand why we don't have a white history month or a heterosexual pride month. Power imbalances, (sometimes, sometimes current) historical discrimination, lack of awareness etc.

So why TF do we celebrate International Men's Day? Just why?

It's not that men's health doesn't matter, but following the logic above, just why do they get a special day when they have every bloody other day too?

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roarfeckingroarr · 06/10/2022 19:11

@Allthegoodnamesarechosen @MrsTerryPratchett a Flimposter, if you will

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Pumpkinsbeinghitbyfallingapples · 06/10/2022 19:17

But if we didn't have international mens day what would men google on international womens day?

But on another note, I think its great where we can have a day where topics like mens mental and physical health etc can be discussed, that may or may not have been the reason it started but its a good use of it.

I do get your point though

inheritanceshiteagain · 06/10/2022 19:18

We have international womens day, so why discriminate? Men have high rates of suicide, so they must have mental health difficulties. Its not just about 'men decided'. I take it women also 'decided' on womens day?

gretr · 06/10/2022 19:18

There’s an international day everyday for one thing or another. I’ve seen more posts about International Pizza Day than IMD. In fact the only time I’ve ever seen anything about IMD is when people think they’re being funny on IWD. So, just for the riposte to that it’s worth it.

lljkk · 06/10/2022 19:24

It celebrates the positive value men bring to the world, their families and communities.

Hear Hear !!

SirCharlesRainier · 06/10/2022 19:33

thecatsthecats · 06/10/2022 18:16

And usually, quite deliberately, it is the strategy of the powerful to set those intersections against one another. To get people hating and blaming people who had no influence over their own circumstances, instead of blaming those actually responsible.

My emphasis wasn't a misunderstanding, it was a fundamental disagreement with the principles of privilege-based judgement.

And yet you're arguing against a point that hasn't been made. (Defensively arguing that your relative lacked privilege when no-one claimed that he had it.) Which would indicate you don't understand the point or are knowingly setting up a strawman.

Who's hating or judging? Not me. It's quite possible to say something like, "hey it seems like if you apply for jobs with a typically Muslim name you get fewer responses than if you have an Anglo-Saxon name. Maybe we should investigate whether that's true and if so, have a think about whether we can try to address it" without secretly meaning "I blame white people for that".

Maireas · 06/10/2022 19:37

MrsTerryPratchett · 06/10/2022 15:12

Not Flemish, feminist. Really not Flemish. Although I do like chips and mayonnaise and waffles and ice cream.

Maybe I am Flemish.

You can be both. Or even a Walloon.

hesbeingabitofadick · 06/10/2022 19:42

triggering - suicide

Men are more likely to choose violent and successful methods of suicide - cliffs, guns etc.
Whereas women choose pills - suicides that are gentler, take longer, and that you can be rescued from.

Not necessarily.
I'm female. At about the age of 40 I was seriously thinking of it. Really seriously.
I was taking off my seatbelt and driving very hard and very fast into something very solid.
I didn't - obvs Grin but if I do, that's what I'll do. I won't want to be "rescued"

MrsTerryPratchett · 06/10/2022 20:24

@Allthegoodnamesarechosen and @roarfeckingroarr I have now decided to identify as Flemish. Beer good as well.

Where do I pick up my EU passport?

MsPincher · 06/10/2022 20:41

SirCharlesRainier · 06/10/2022 15:56

@thecatsthecats

You're mixing up individuals' circumstances with the power/lack of power of their group.

Your point would be valid if your great grandad had been conscripted because he was white, and there was a policy not to conscript people of other races. But that wasn't the case. He didn't face discrimination only as a result of being white.

He did of course lack power in other respects: class, age (the rich old men who started the war weren't out there fighting it) and you could argue sex.

The point is that e.g black people (or gay people, or women) face particular kinds of discrimination that white people (or straight people, or men) don't face. That's not to say that all white people (or men, or straight people) have massive amounts of power, or aren't hard done by.

People of all kinds can face discrimination including white people and straight people. It might be less likely but it happens. I’m mixed race and in a country where some of my family are from (where I have lived) I have seen serious discrimination against white people (sometimes directed towards me as I am fair skinned). It happens in the uK too - eg the various grooming scandals where victims were chosen in part because they were white.

tbh white history month makes as much sense as black history month. Black people are a disparate group with radically different histories same as white people.

anyway I don’t care if any group has a day as long as it’s used in a positive way.

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