Bully moving class

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Just curious if anyone has experience of a school moving a child out of your child's classes in high school because of bullying. I can decide if it is a reasonable expectation?

DS got moved, because he was the victim 😥

I have seen both. In one middle-class, faith school that people fell over themselves to get into, it was the victim who was moved - and there really was no doubt about who was the victim - or the school refused to move either. In another - less highly thought-of but generally better run - school it was the bully who was moved. There was a very clear line of making the bully visible, not the the victim. All determined by the head. School 1 had a weak head who was all about forgiveness and restorative justice. School 2 had a strong, pragmatic head who could identify key causes in issues and usually sort them before they became big problems.

I hope you get it sorted. I think adults in schools have a lot to answer for that bullying is still so common in schools.

Thanks @StillNotWarm. How did the school justify moving the victim and not the bully?

Thanks and I agree that the adults have a lot to answer for. In this case there is clear and undeniable evidence of who is the bully and who isn't.

My ds, as the victim, was asked to move instead . It’s very difficult to have a bully moved. They did move the bully eventually but it was way too late and all he did was go and bully a kid in the class he’d been moved to.

This bully is now 17 and thankfully has moved away, but wherever he goes, he will destroy lives. And all because his parents let it happen. Instead of addressing the bullying which had been going on since he was much much younger, they just denied everything that was told to them. Monsters, created another monster.

I'm currently going through this with my DD14. They want HER to move. Apparently due to the number of exclusions the bully has had, no other schools will accept her, so it's easier for my DD to go. But there's no way I will accept this. Currently going through the complaints procedure, however my DD is at home as "school cannot safeguard her", whilst the bully remains at school receiving an education. The system is all wrong.

I'm really sorry everyone who has gone through that. It seems inconceivable that innocent children are being denied a safe education.

DS dealt with it all through last year, and whilst we, and school, knew of the big issues, he hid the low level day to day stuff from everyone.
Start of this year, they did some teaching group shuffles, and DS and the main instigator both ended up in the same group - and away from DSs friends. For us, the main aim was getting DS out of the situation - and the quickest way was him to move. To be fair to schoool, they did it within 3 days, and I contacted them after the first day of school.
It probably "helped" that the biggest issue was racism - but obviously not enough for them to keep the pair apart.

It is always a shame when a child has to be moved to another class because school can't get a handle on the actual bullying.

A friend is going through a situation with her child now. He has just started in reception with another boy who was previously a lovely playmate. They have both been placed in the same class. The other boy started punching and scratching her child in the face and when they met up to walk to school has called him an arsehole. (They are 4 years old)
School dealt with the physical violence by giving the perpetrator 'time out' and separating the children when out at play. The friend was informed about it when she collected her child. He had two large nasty looking scratches on his face which I saw.
When she collected him from school yesterday, and on school property the other child ran across the playground and pushed him over and made him cry. The mother did nothing.

My friend is very upset. Her child is disturbed because he does not fully understand what is going on - loves this other child and wants to play with him, and school are reluctant to get more involved, have used platitudes and see the problem but appear clueless when she speaks to teachers/the head.
As yet nobody has been moved. We are waiting to see what school will do next.

I realise this is not high school but moving back to your question would have thought that the perpetrator should be the one who is moved because they are the aggressor?

I n my experience it's always the victim moving class,or worse still, school :(

I just wonder how the school justifies it. I suppose so that I can counter it. It can't be about logistics - if one child can be moved around then the other can! Is it about pacifying the bullies parents? Because surely one set of parents are going to be raging no matter what they do. So why??

Same with my ds, school was spectacularly useless and my ds has not 1 fond memory of school

Why do schools still get the victim to move? Nothing's changed.

Mind you, it happens to adults too. People who get bullied at work often end up leaving, and people with nuisance neighbours often end up moving house. It's all wrong.

I think if you complain you are looked upon as the aggressor so they move your child since the bully child's parents haven't done anything wrong. It is a coward's way out

@Aggypanthus so you think it's done deliberately to punish parents for advocating for their child? I would love to hear a teacher or heads perspective on this.

No I think Schools react rather than think it through carefully. Maybe the child who is being bullied's parents are less likely to create a fuss than the bully child's parents

I don't think the schools are punishing the victims patents. I too think it's to do with ease. Getting someone with no benifit to the move to change classes sounds like a recipie for the parents to ignore the request, or complain if it move is made without consultation.
The victim and their parents need something to happen, and them moving is the negative side of the positives of getting away from the aggressor.