Why do poor/middle-class people vote for the Conservatives?

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When the Conservatives protect privileged interests, why would anyone not particularly rich vote for them?
The conservatives are now uncapping bankers' bonuses ffs

Odd as I've heard completely differently from friends and acquaintances who live in his constituency. One runs a local charity and others are very involved in community groups.

(Oh and none of them will vote Tory. However he has lost the Labour whip and is old, so is unlikely to be reelected. )

Have you ever lived on such wages?

That's what Starmer are trying to do. This is why he writes articles for the right of centre press and appears on right of centre media programmes.

The issues are with:

1. Those in Labour who don't understand that to get elected you need to appeal to as many voters as possible.
2. The Corbynites who don't understand that ordinary voters will not vote for someone they think is hard left.

Both groups, but especially the latter, need to understand for some of the changes they want to happen to actual become reality then Labour needs to be elected.

You are correct. I’m listening re the conference atm and I think they’re getting it finally.

There’s no point in berating and insulting people for not voting as you wish, but offer a positive alternative. I’m glad to hear they seem to be doing so.

@ChampagneCamping What is a woman?

Whilst I disagree with masses of 'wokeness' and an obsession with trans ( I would rather an obsession on disablement or mental health but guess it doesn't photograph so well) I'm more interested in having a party who understands the need for strong public services, and not feeling that at the moment we are not being governed but constantly campaigned at. I don't want a bunch of opportunistic headbangers. So whilst labour May for me be a bit too pandering to 'woke' for me they are what the country needs far more than this bunch of far right weirdos - and for those that don't know Rachael Reeve is an actual economist and ex BAnk of England- what you have in Truss and Coffey is the 2 weirdo friends who stuck together because everyone else thought they were weird.

I think perhaps you are being a little unfair on wierdos.

You are in favour of a small state, a strong private sector and people standing on their own two feet. How do you square that with the fact that the vast majority of working age adults receiving benefits in this country are actually working and it is tax payers who are effectively subsidising companies and enabling them to pay wages to their staff that they cannot survive on without a top up?

You are in favour of a small state, a strong private sector and people standing on their own two feet. How do you square that with the fact that the vast majority of working age adults receiving benefits in this country are actually working and it is tax payers who are effectively subsidising companies and enabling them to pay wages to their staff that they cannot survive on without a top up?

The Tories' policy of raising the national living wage has reduced the total benefits paid. However, I accept there are significant issues that need addressing.

I'm not sure why you'd expect there to be fewer people on benefits with a Labour Government. You can't complain about insufficient benefits being paid on one hand, and then complain that there are too many working adults receiving benefits!

@jgw1

@ChampagneCamping What is a woman?

An adult human female. i.e. its definition is based on biological sex, not sociological concepts of gender.

@RedWingBoots

Have you ever lived on such wages?

Not for a very long time. But my point is that it's been an improving situation for low paid employees (at least pre the cost of living crisis).

@jgw!! Lol!!

@Tuilpmouse And what do you mean by female?

The predominant view of the left is that if you feel you're not earning enough, then it's other's responsibility to sort it. It's never "I try and improve your lot by training or moving jobs", it's "they should pay me more"... it's the lack of taking personal responsibility that people of all backgrounds take against.

@jgw1

By female I simply mean the dictionary definition:

"of or denoting the sex that can bear offspring or produce eggs, distinguished biologically by the production of gametes (ova) which can be fertilized by male gametes."

@Tuilpmouse It is good to hear that you are on the side of the railworkers, postal workers and so on who are taking responsibility for improving their income by going on strike.

Thank you for taking the time to reply. If someone cannot produce ova, does that make them male?

@jgw

Thank you for taking the time to reply. If someone cannot produce ova, does that make them male?

No, the female sex has XX chromosomes, with that leading to female sexual organs being produced even if there may be imperfects in them meaning that they don't function fully.

A female who cannot produce ova is no more an man, than a person who is born without legs isn't human.

because they are ignorant. There is no denying that there are more idiots in the world than critical thinkers. The pandemic, the cost of living crisis, the climate emergency have been terrifyingly revealing - never has there been so much evidence of such widespread idiocy.

... imperfections with them...

I'm confused now. Is a female someone who produces ova or someone who is XX? Do they have to be XX in all their cells?

this is exactly what's going wrong with modern politics. You think anyone that doesn't agree with you must be thick. no one wants a pile on of people telling them they are thick so they just don't have the conversation. Hence you have the 'quiet conservatives' who don't participate in the echo chamber. Labour twitter and social media are in a bubble where they think everyone agrees and are shocked time after time not to win elections.

I don't vote conservative but I'm also sick of this type of discourse.

Me too. It’s rife and needs to change.

I feel like you're being disingenuous here. it's 'of the sex that can produce ova'. as you can clearly read for yourself.

I am merely trying to establish what people mean when they say so and so knows what a woman is.

How do we know if someone isn't producing ova that they are of the sex that can produce ova?