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Neurodiverse population. Neurotypical and neurodivergent people.

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Eastevie · 19/09/2022 08:48

This is right isn't it? Neurodiverse means people that are both neurotypical and neurodivergent.

Why do people get called neurodiverse if they are neurodivergent?

Does anyone know?

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Yarnosaur · 19/09/2022 10:52

You're right OP. It's analogous to biodiversity, which applies to all plants.

The whole point of neurodiversity is that it reflects that humans and human nature are diverse and that natural variations in neurotype are both intrinsic and valuable, as opposed to a normal vs abnormal model of humans and human nature where natural variations are pathologised.

ColouringPencils · 19/09/2022 11:14

I agree with @Eastevie

felulageller · 19/09/2022 11:28

I tell people I'm neurodiverse. I wouldnt say neurodivergent. It sounds deviant.

Equalbutdifferent · 19/09/2022 11:30

Yarnosaur · 19/09/2022 10:52

You're right OP. It's analogous to biodiversity, which applies to all plants.

The whole point of neurodiversity is that it reflects that humans and human nature are diverse and that natural variations in neurotype are both intrinsic and valuable, as opposed to a normal vs abnormal model of humans and human nature where natural variations are pathologised.

No. This is not a good analogy. Not all variation is equal in the social world. People who are in minorities are disadvantaged and discriminated against. This is not the same as being in the majority, aka typical. Recognising this power imbalance is key to the social model of disability.

picklemewalnuts · 19/09/2022 11:44

So neurodiversity includes the neurotypical individuals as well.
Just as racial diversity includes all colours and cultures including white western.

Perhaps more that neurodiversity doesn't exclude neurotypical individuals.

Interesting linguistics! I'd have said the opposite before thinking about it!

FurryDandelionSeekingMissile · 19/09/2022 11:47

I find it weird to be called neurodiverse. Makes me want to say "Yes, I have six brains, all different!" 🤪

I don't think it's surprising that, when discussing a term that's primarily used to describe autistic people (I acknowledge the application is wider, but that's the group it's primarily applied to), people get picky about the implications of the choice of specific suffixes and their precise meanings.

I'm not personally a fan of neurodivergent, though. Neurodiversity is okay, it's just like, "Hey, we're all different, people have different brains!" Neurodivergent feels more like "You have diverged from the mainstream, you have turned away and gone a different road", which I guess some people might like, but it feels a bit odd to me. I actually think I prefer atypical as it only implies being a minority, whereas divergent feels like it's bringing up questions of how and when a brain diverged from the usual path, which we don't yet know, and almost feels to me like it has a slightly negative emotional valence.

picklemewalnuts · 19/09/2022 11:51

Oh yes, I like 'atypical'! Totally removes the slight stigma of abnormality that lurks around 'divergent'.

FurryDandelionSeekingMissile · 19/09/2022 12:01

🤣 I know different words will have different emotional connotations for different people pickle — those are just the connotations I personally have. When talking to other people about themselves, I usually try to use the words they prefer; when talking about myself I use the words I prefer. When talking generally, I try to be… uncontroversial.

Yarnosaur · 19/09/2022 12:34

Here is Judy Singer, the probable originator of the concept of neurodiversity, and certainly the first to write about it, explaining what it is:

neurodiversity2.blogspot.com/p/what.html?m=1

Gruffling · 19/09/2022 16:37

picklemewalnuts · 19/09/2022 11:51

Oh yes, I like 'atypical'! Totally removes the slight stigma of abnormality that lurks around 'divergent'.

Agreed.

BlackeyedSusan · 19/09/2022 17:16

waterlego · 19/09/2022 09:48

Thanks @Clymene. I suppose I should defer to what was suggested by the person who first used the term, but ‘neurodiverse’ doesn’t feel right for an individual (purely from a linguistics perspective). I’ve just found the post I talked about earlier. It wasn’t actually the SALT’s own words. She had shared it from ICAN who are an Australian charity supporting autistic people. Image attached of their take on the terms neurodiverse and neurodivergent.

Yeah but what do the Aussies know? They wear thong's on their feet! Which just goes to show language is adaptable and used differently by different people.

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