Please help educate me people of Wales

[Theblackdogagain]

I was bought up in England so my Welsh history is sketchy (which is a crying shame) and I don't know enough about the beautiful country despite being there many times.
I do know about how the language was banned and the persecution and I've seen a transcript of something Michael Sheen has said recently.
Now I see a lot of hate about the title Prince of Wales.
Please can someone educate me from a historical and current context so I understand. My husbands Welsh relatives used to call me the English girl and one of my sons has a Welsh middle name to remember that part of the family so I would like to know more so I can teach them.

"The first "English" Prince of Wales was created in 1301.... England and Wales have been effectively United since then, over 700 years ago!"

The Welsh have very long memories and hand the story down through the generations so that one day they can make amends for 1301. 700 years of holding onto hatred can't be a good thing for one's health.

Only "some English people still hate the Germans"?Did you mean British people? Do you think some Germans still hate us?
Why is it acceptable for the world and his wife to "hate the English" but woe betide any "English" person to express a dislike for another country/race/culture
for the record I like or dislike a person based on their actions not their heritage. Oh and that includes those who claim their ethnicity based on having a distant relative from about 800 years ago!

It's littered with castles attempting to control the locals.
One of them Caernarfon Castle where Charles was crowned (or whatever the technical term is) Prince of Wales. Just to remind the defeated of their place and of who's boss. I wonder if they will do something similar for Wills this time.

Tryweryn is fresh in people's memories - stickers and souvenirs replicating the Cofiwch Dryweryn (remember Tryweryn) graffitti near Aberystwyth are very popular.

Large areas of the countryside are off bounds because they belong to the MOD.

Dic Penderyn being wrongly executed and denied a pardon.

Etc.

These things happened in the past but they can form a part of people's identities.

I assume because Charles investiture was in 1969 - and there were many of protests/column inches at the time.

No I didn't mean British people. I said 'some English people', and that's what I meant. It was an example.

Where did I say it is acceptable for the world and his wife to "hate the English"? .

I think you're looking for an arguement where there isn't one.

There have been threads especially when the bridge got named The Prince of Wales bridge, a lot of Welsh people hate it being called that.

Yes we do.

I think also because there were many great Welsh “statesmen/woman” deserving of the honour it it wasn’t an option and we were told.

God, there is some ignorance on this thread. As pp said there are relatively recent examples of the English oppression of the Welsh.

Why is is "bigoted" to not want a person from another country, a person who doesn't live here, be "prince"?

This is the daftest post I have ever read. If an issue is has not been discussed on MN, it can't be important?🤣🤣🤣

My parents lived all their lives just into S.Wales. They were really angry about the language issue- everything printed twice, every road sign twice as long to accommodate both languages.

It's not entirely practical, it must be said. However it's shifted the acceptance and pride in Welsh language from really irrelevant and historical across most of wales, to accepted and common and taken pride in.

It's been a distinct shift over about 30/40 years, I'd say.

I suppose we could be more practical and just have everything in Welsh, but it seems to cause a lot of angst.

Oh yeh that would be sooo practical having signs in Welsh only. The majority of the population wouldn't be able to understand the signs. How silly

Seems to work in France, Italy?

why does bilingualism bother you? Seems silly.

Gosh, imagine if we held grudges against the Romans and Vikings and Angles- instead we celebrate them.

We still have a huge wall complete with enormous forts, showing how they invaded and controlled us, across the length of Northumberland- it's a World Heritage Site- we are proud of it.

Signs in Wales are bilingual. That doesn't bother me. What bothers me is the idea of them being written purely in Welsh.

In France and Italy the population can all speak French and Italian, which is why it works.

There was dispute about whether some marcher areas were actually "English" right up to the 1970s, that is not 700 years ago. (local government act 1972)

French/Italian/any other European country have never been forbidden to speak the language of their own country by various Acts. Unlike in Wales - which has directly impacted on the population speaking Welsh.

The PP mentioned her parents were annoyed about signs written bilingually, but why in Wales should the default be English?

I don't think the default in Wales should be English. That wouldn't be right, seeing as Wales has two official languages. Having bilingual signs works well.

Large areas of the countryside are off bounds because they belong to the MOD

As they are in the rest of the UK. It is considered necessary for national defence.

There was significant kickback from the Welsh when Charles was invested as Prince of Wales.

There were groups across Wales who were anti-investiture and planned a bomb on the rail line carrying (the then) Prince Charles to Caernarfon. Nationalist groups like Cofia 1282 were established

There is a book being published next year about the protests around the investiture. There was also a good documentary about it on BBC4 I think - it gave a balanced insight into why there is tension with the title.

Probably not been discussed on Mumsnet before because the investiture was 1969....long before Mumsnet. Now is a good time to discuss.

Cymru nid Prydain!

Except now we can’t have battles to win anything back, the power has been secured with a single family because of the peace of democracy. Maybe the original king who fought the battle “deserved” the power and the titles, but this lot don’t, and I’m sure if we tested their mettle in battle once more we could best them and win back some of the titles! But we don’t as it’s not the way we operate anymore and therefore no need for a king and queen or prince of anything….

This ^

DH and I are both English living in Wales and our experience is that whilst most of the Welsh people we know are lovely, many do have an enormous chip on their shoulder. I don't understand why - or how - you'd hold onto a grudge for so long.....

After the 'Treachery of the Blue Books, the sad truth is that most of the persecution of the Welsh language was done by middle class Welsh trying to be English.

Yeah to be fair it does sound like you don't understand

I believe ‘Welsh’ is Anglo Saxon for ‘foreigner’