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Are FE support staff getting a pay rise? Apparently 2.5% was offered and rejected ? But what happens now?

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YoniWheretheSunDontShine · 07/09/2022 17:37

How long could the wrangler go on for whilst staff are left on the same rate?
There is supposed to be a one off living payment also?
There is a lot of noise over teachers but what about Fe support staff?

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chilliesandspices · 07/09/2022 18:35

Must be uni specific. Mine gave everyone £2k across the board. For the lowest paid it's over 12%, for the highest paid it's a tiny drop in the ocean.

YoniWheretheSunDontShine · 07/09/2022 18:45

Sorry, colleges.

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PaperMonster · 07/09/2022 19:49

Glad to be out of that environment now so can’t help sorry. Ten years without a pay rise wasn’t the best.

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MsRinky · 07/09/2022 20:18

I am HE not FE but we had our 3% rise implemented on 1st August even though it has been rejected by the unions and we are now being balloted for strike action.

YoniWheretheSunDontShine · 07/09/2022 22:05

I'm jus trying to understand how it works.

Yes I'm mad but I'd be happy with 2.5% and the payment!

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YoniWheretheSunDontShine · 07/09/2022 22:27

I think we had 1% a few years ago?
How can it be legal if all other public service role's are getting pay rise!?

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PaperMonster · 08/09/2022 11:25

I think payrises can be recommended but the individual colleges choose what to pay - hence my employer failing to give payrises. In fact, those on hourly paid contracts saw their pay fall.

YoniWheretheSunDontShine · 08/09/2022 13:23

Wow!

I'm just trying to work out what happens next, I don't understand the process.

If something is rejected how long could staff be left without any rise at all and how can individual college's decide what to pay?

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Cherrypi · 08/09/2022 16:24

We're getting 3% but no payment at my FE college. I'd rather have 2.5% and the payment as a low earner.

YoniWheretheSunDontShine · 08/09/2022 21:50

Cherry we have zilch and I don't know if we will get anything at all

I am surprised not many people have commented on thread because so many in education on mm I thought people would know more about union's and how it works
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Eg there must be a time limit on wrangling?.they the union's and boss can't leave worker's on same rate indefinitely?

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YoniWheretheSunDontShine · 08/09/2022 21:50

But
..I agree I would also rather the payment amd 2.5 %

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YoniWheretheSunDontShine · 10/09/2022 07:47

Does anyone know how these things work? Eg Union negotiations

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BarbaraofSeville · 10/09/2022 08:08

Unions normally negotiate with employers for an annual pay increase, is your union doing this? There does seem to be some improving pay settlements this year, obviously as inflation has taken off, eg around 3%, sometimes with an extra fixed payment so that the lower paid receive a larger percentage.

Then they put the offer to members, sometimes with a recommendation to accept or reject, then if members reject the offer, they'll then ballot the members about industrial action. This may not necessarily be an all out strike straight away, although a few bus driver unions have done this and been out for up to 3 or 4 weeks, before accepting much improved pay offers (around 10% I think).

As for what could happen, it depends how far they want to take it. As an extreme example, the miners were on strike for 364 days (I think possibly there was some legality about the strike not going on for a year, after that time I think the employer may have the right to just sack everyone).

If industrial action is taken, your employer may make an improved pay offer, but from their point of view, they have to make the books balance, which will be difficult especially with the increase in energy costs too.

But as far as the historical pay freeze/1% offer, that sounds common across the public sector, apart from MPs Hmm and the NHS, nothing apart from a couple of 1%s sounds about right for what has been received amongst the civil service in the last 10 years or so.

BarbaraofSeville · 10/09/2022 08:10

What sort of salaries are we talking about? FE support staff sounds like it could be a low salaried job, which would mean that, up to now, pay increases have been taken care of due to the rise in the NMW (now equivalent to about £18.5k for FT).

Samanabanana · 10/09/2022 08:10

I've not heard of any pay rise or cost of living payment at our place Sad

Samanabanana · 10/09/2022 08:11

@BarbaraofSeville support staff covers all "operational" staff who don't teach so a very broad spectrum of salaries

JackieCollinshasnoauthority · 10/09/2022 08:18

www.unison.org.uk/at-work/education-services/about/colleges/college-staff-pay/

It varies by region but info via above link.

pompomdaisy · 10/09/2022 08:24

At the university of York we got 3% across grades 1-8.

YoniWheretheSunDontShine · 10/09/2022 14:28

Thanks.

What's confusing me is that some further education colleges seem to have already implemented this.

I don't understand why for instance it's not across the board. My college could just keep paying low wages whilst every other college in the UK gets the 3% rose and or the living payment.

How is this possible.

Is there a time scale?>
I appreciate the union's trying to get more money but people need it now!

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JackieCollinshasnoauthority · 10/09/2022 15:58

There's neither an obligation nor any huge desire within FE colleges in England to implement the pay recommendations from the Association of Colleges. Your college could refuse payrises or provide low ones and many have done that for a long time.

In terms of timescale, the unions take time to consult with their members on whether they want to accept the recommendation. The association of colleges could also unilaterally end negotiations and set their recommendation.

Are you in a union? Make sure you're putting these questions to your local rep.

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