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Royal family pondering

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Jollywren · 07/09/2022 16:14

Just a pondering. Purely from an aristocratic onlooker pov (I'm not but if I was ....!)

Kate was a commoner by birth. So her kids are now only half royal. If they then marry someone ordinary too then the same in subsequent generations you get to an ordinary family with one royal ancestor - William- ( except in this case they will have kept the chain of office / power of monarchy throughout ) But are they now really royal in the sense the current queen is? If they aren't is that problematic? I know that's why previous royal generations kept marriage within their own extensive royal European circles.....

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MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 08/09/2022 10:06

Queen's Consent

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen's_Consent

Whataretheodds · 08/09/2022 10:14

Damnautocorrect · 07/09/2022 20:47

I thought Diana had better lineage than Charles?

Depends on your definition of better. Long lineage in the aristocracy, with all the connections that brings, but she wasn't royalty, and if you're not royal you're a commoner.

Anothernamechangeplease · 08/09/2022 10:49

I don't understand posts like this at all. I presume you know that they don't actually have blue blood?

The Royal family is just an ordinary family, which happens to have an extraordinary status conferred upon it. If you marry into that family, or if you're born into it, you get that royal status. There is nothing biologically different about the royals, so it matters not a jot if their "blood" is diluted. The next generation are every bit as "royal" as the last, for as long as society chooses to give them that status.

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newtb · 08/09/2022 11:18

When Charles and Diana married I think it was Debretts found they were very distantly related, and that Diana had a greater right to the crown than he did. Must've really pissed him off.

CPL593H · 08/09/2022 11:26

When William becomes King, it will be the first time a direct descendant of Charles II is enthroned. He descends on 2 (or poss 3) lines via Diana ( thanks to Charles II not being a deadbeat dad and ennobling his many illegitimate offspring) so because of a commoner, the Stuarts will sort of be back.

I believe the Queen Mother had a plumber and a toymaker not too far back in her family tree. Almost everyone of English heritage has Edward III as a 22x approx great grandfather.

It's all very interesting but there is nothing special about "Royal blood" and it can't be diluted like squash.

SirVixofVixHall · 08/09/2022 11:29

Whataretheodds · 07/09/2022 16:55

George, Charlotte and Louis are not considered less Royal because their mother was a commoner.

William is not considered less Royal because his mother was a commoner

The Queen was not considered less Royal because her mother was a commoner.

Princess Diana was not a “commoner” ! She came from an ancient aristocratic family and had a title before she married.

WinnieTheW0rm · 08/09/2022 11:33

SirVixofVixHall · 08/09/2022 11:29

Princess Diana was not a “commoner” ! She came from an ancient aristocratic family and had a title before she married.

Commoner = not Royal

So yes she was. For despite being an aristocratic family who are arguably posher than the Windsors, they are not Royal and they are therefore commoners

(Yes, I know similar terminology is used differently re: the Houses of Parliament)

Whataretheodds · 08/09/2022 11:54

She was a commoner. Not common, but not royal, and not a peer of the realm, so a commoner.

Arbesque · 08/09/2022 12:03

What does it matter? The royals aren't born with special wisdom or insight or beauty or talent. There is no special blood there and nothing to be diluted.

NC12345665 · 08/09/2022 12:44

Did the Queen not change some law to prevent the details of the Queen Mother's Will becoming public?

CockingASnook · 08/09/2022 12:51

As almost every PP has said, there’s no special quality to their blood. It’s simply that their ancestors were better at fighting wars and forming alliances than everybody else (which usually means they were just richer). Since the Royal Family no longer declares war on other countries / families, it’s probably time we got rid of the whole freaking absurdity.

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