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Which historical figure dead or alive has left the biggest impact on pop culture?

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RoyKent · 21/08/2022 18:44

Following watching Elvis and being curious over the origin of "Elvis has left the building" my sister and I were discussing if Elvis was/is the most famous person to have ever lived. Does anyone else have a cultural footprint that comes close?
I contenders for second might include The Beatles (Lennon in particular), Marilyn Monroe and maybe Marlon Brando but I still feel none of these have the same global and timeless impact.
Would love to know others' thoughts!

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ChobKnees · 22/08/2022 11:58

dropthevipers · 21/08/2022 20:34

Micheal Faraday, without whom no one would be reading this.

So "famous" that I have no clue who he is...

ChobKnees · 22/08/2022 12:40

Michael Jackson

Princess Diana

Adolf Hitler (for the wrong reasons obviously)

Checkitoutnow · 22/08/2022 12:56

Kanaloa · 22/08/2022 11:09

You don’t think the Potter books and films and the mania surrounding them had an impact on pop culture? They were universally huge.

huge, yes, but the biggest influence? If we’re in that field of fantasy, I’d say less so than George Lucas or Stan Lee

Checkitoutnow · 22/08/2022 13:00

And for those who questioned Jesus’s influence, the story arcs of Luke Skywalker / Harry Potter have clear Jesus elements

DownNative · 22/08/2022 13:23

TitaniasAss · 22/08/2022 11:44

I get you're obviously a huge MJ fan and that's lovely.

You can put it like that if you want, but it doesn't really change the numbers here which demonstrates impact.

Aside from Michael Jackson, the Beatles have truly impressive numbers too, even in the age of Spotify and the Internet. It speaks well to their continuing influence decades on.

Elvis' numbers don't come close to the Beatles even though he's from around their time.

I don't think the numbers support Elvis having a bigger impact than the Beatles or Michael Jackson.

Aside from having bags of talent, Jackson's career was at just the right time where he straddled TV, satellite communications and the dawn of the Internet. Yet no other celebrity managed to use the tools available in the way Jackson did. A major part of that was revolutionising music videos with Thriller which lends itself well to the Internet age. Unprecedented impact followed.

The Beatles have used the Internet age much better than Elvis as well. Projects like the Yellow Submarine animation lends itself well to the Internet and YouTube era.

Elvis doesn't really have that which is why his image rights holders hope the new Elvis biopic can arrest the decline and attract new generations to Elvis once again.

Time will tell. And yet MJ has a musical on Broadway as well as a biopic in the works.

The Cirque Beatles and MJ ONE shows have each been far more successful than their Elvis show. These projects keep influences and impacts going.

There's no doubt Beatles and MJ have a bigger audience where they're still hugely popular with millennials. Elvis is the reverse.

2catsandhappy · 22/08/2022 13:44

Walt Disney.

DorritLittle · 22/08/2022 14:26

I think while Elvis' music is less appealing for younger generations, his impact is that he paved the way for everything that followed, socially and culturally.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_impact_of_Elvis_Presley

Though I personally agree The Beatles' direct influence endures more, and can see it does with MJ also.

curiousitygotthebetterofme · 22/08/2022 15:41

I’m surprised nobody seems to have mentioned Amy Winehouse except for me, from what I can see.

I feel she has contributed to culture a bit. She was troubled, but she was bloody amazing.

It’s a shame she’s no longer with us.

DownNative · 22/08/2022 15:47

The Jackson 5 deserve at least an honourable mention as they were the voice of Black America in a time of racism and the Civil Rights Movement. The rise of the J5 showed black people they could succeed in a big way. Of course, Michael would do it on a bigger scale later on by becoming the first truly global black king.

The J5 influence in their day led to groups such as the Osmonds and continued well past their time to modern day pop groups such as Backstreet Boys, Take That and even the Spice Girls. Motown marketed the J5 according to the personalities of the boys and this is something that was done for decades after for other groups. New Kids On The Block is another example of this - Jordan Knight was obviously influenced by 1980s MJ.

Even K-pop groups have been influenced by the J5.

DownNative · 22/08/2022 15:50

curiousitygotthebetterofme · 22/08/2022 15:41

I’m surprised nobody seems to have mentioned Amy Winehouse except for me, from what I can see.

I feel she has contributed to culture a bit. She was troubled, but she was bloody amazing.

It’s a shame she’s no longer with us.

That'll be because people are thinking about who left "the biggest impact on pop culture". Sure, a lot of people left some level of impact, but most of them didn't leave the biggest impact on pop culture.

Amy's career and life was too short for the question at hand.

Inextremis · 22/08/2022 16:16

Malcolm McClaren, Vivienne Westwood, and the Sex Pistols had a huge influence on popular culture in the late 70s - the punk movement spread to the US, Japan etc. and was the precursor of many other trends from then on.

TitaniasAss · 22/08/2022 16:28

DownNative · 22/08/2022 13:23

You can put it like that if you want, but it doesn't really change the numbers here which demonstrates impact.

Aside from Michael Jackson, the Beatles have truly impressive numbers too, even in the age of Spotify and the Internet. It speaks well to their continuing influence decades on.

Elvis' numbers don't come close to the Beatles even though he's from around their time.

I don't think the numbers support Elvis having a bigger impact than the Beatles or Michael Jackson.

Aside from having bags of talent, Jackson's career was at just the right time where he straddled TV, satellite communications and the dawn of the Internet. Yet no other celebrity managed to use the tools available in the way Jackson did. A major part of that was revolutionising music videos with Thriller which lends itself well to the Internet age. Unprecedented impact followed.

The Beatles have used the Internet age much better than Elvis as well. Projects like the Yellow Submarine animation lends itself well to the Internet and YouTube era.

Elvis doesn't really have that which is why his image rights holders hope the new Elvis biopic can arrest the decline and attract new generations to Elvis once again.

Time will tell. And yet MJ has a musical on Broadway as well as a biopic in the works.

The Cirque Beatles and MJ ONE shows have each been far more successful than their Elvis show. These projects keep influences and impacts going.

There's no doubt Beatles and MJ have a bigger audience where they're still hugely popular with millennials. Elvis is the reverse.

Perhaps I'm.just not taking it as seriously as you are, and that's fine. I just find the hero worship of famous people (any famous person) a bit strange. I don't doubt MJ had a huge impact at all.

DesdamonasHandkerchief · 22/08/2022 17:04

Not a chance as most people do not believe the allegations against Michael Jackson

I'd imagine most people who watched the two part documentary that gave his victims a voice believe it. The evidence was pretty damming.
I don't dispute his popularity given the figures you've quoted but I am surprised that people overlook the allegations and pay offs.

Kanaloa · 22/08/2022 17:06

Checkitoutnow · 22/08/2022 12:56

huge, yes, but the biggest influence? If we’re in that field of fantasy, I’d say less so than George Lucas or Stan Lee

People have argued for lots of different people. As I said, it’s all relative, but Rowling is by no means a ridiculous suggestion.

Giggorata · 22/08/2022 17:28

The Beatles
Shakespeare
Christ
Freud
possibly Disney

TitaniasAss · 22/08/2022 18:25

Not a chance as most people do not believe the allegations against Michael Jackson

I don't think that's true at all.

Justanotherlurker · 22/08/2022 19:26

The Jackson 5 deserve at least an honourable mention as they were the voice of Black America in a time of racism and the Civil Rights Movement.

That is if you ignore the whole Stax and Motown record lable which was huge at the time and trail blazing black musicians and getting regular top 10 hits in the US long before the Jackson 5, they where the somewhat sanitized corporate version.

It's why questions like this don't really make sense because (musically) everyone has stood on the shoulders of giants as they say.

Everyone has been influenced by others

Justanotherlurker · 22/08/2022 19:49

I define influencing pop culture as causing a global change in music, fashion, film etc tastes. Every artist has influences, but not all iconic artists propelled a change in the entire look and feel of a time like Elvis did and The Beatles did.

You're kind of mixing up what actually happened, Elvis, MJ and the beatles where not breaking new ground, the undergound music scene already had the clothing and haircuts, the beatles for example where not creating a new scene just bringing a scene to the mainstream, same as NWA/Public Enemy, and many of the Early DJ's, yes they have all been influenced by those before them but they didn't 'create' the scene.

As an example, Nirvana will go down as cultural icon, great individual talent but the fashion, music etc was already there long before it became 'fashion', same with NWA/Public enemy and 'just listening to car alarms' dance music that was shunned from the BBC.

What's being remembered as being a cultural shift is just "when did said generational shift" become commercialised.

In a few years some Grime etc artist will make it huge and make us all feel old, they won't be the ones who 'had' the most cultural impact though, it will be those highly commercial ones who became mainstream.

I get I'm sounding a bit snobbish, not wanting to, I used to be a free party dj in the early 90's and still has my music and dj name brought up (humblebrag)

learieonthewildmoor · 22/08/2022 19:58

Jane Austen and the Bronte sisters. They laid the ground for books centring women, and the notion that women mattered -and had value- even if they were poor or plain.
We wouldn’t have books and movies and tv shows about women for women without them.

annoyedneighbour1 · 22/08/2022 20:00

Princess Diana

Kris Jenner

JaneJeffer · 22/08/2022 20:43

Can't be arsed reading the thread because I've got a headache but I'm putting Nile Rodgers as a major impact.

Davros · 22/08/2022 21:44

Michael Jackson? Meh. Good up to about the age of 12. But I can't deny his popularity.
Charlie Chaplin was the most famous person in the world in his day, and all over the world in obscure corners. Another possible paedo

Appalonia · 22/08/2022 23:15

JaneJeffer · 22/08/2022 20:43

Can't be arsed reading the thread because I've got a headache but I'm putting Nile Rodgers as a major impact.

Sorry about your headache, but agree about Nile Rodgers, the amount of huge stars he's produced is v impressive, Inc Bowie, Diana Ross, Madonna, Duran Duran.

Bit peeved that no one has commented on my thread about the HUGE impact of electronic music on all of pop music since the 70s, but hey ho...😂

butchersshrink · 22/08/2022 23:36

I think I'd put Tolkien over Rowling. Without Tolkien there wouldn't be a Harry Potter.

DorritLittle · 22/08/2022 23:53

butchersshrink · 22/08/2022 23:36

I think I'd put Tolkien over Rowling. Without Tolkien there wouldn't be a Harry Potter.

In that case let's add Jill Murphy.

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