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Neighbour gesturing at DCs

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Caken · 19/08/2022 10:56

I’m after a bit of advice on a situation that has been going on for some time but want it to stop.

A neighbour over the road is constantly gesturing at my children (11 & 9) when they are playing in the 11 year old’s room, or playing on the windowsill in that room. The gestures involve shaking her fist, twirling her finger around next to her head in a ‘crazy’ gesture, and sometimes waves things in her hands at them - they have said it’s a knife but I’ve never seen that myself. She either stands at a side door on her property or starts coming down the side path towards the gate at the front of their property.

The lady is in her 60s, at a guess. She lives with either her husband or son, and several grown up grandchildren. We don’t know them at all, we keep ourselves to ourselves. We’re good neighbours - we’re quiet, only park on our drive, work long hours all week so are often not here, and have never fallen out with anyone nearby, the kids don’t play out in the street here as they tend to go to friends houses or have friends here. To be honest we’re pretty boring - no gatherings or anything noisy ever, no noisy animals etc. Whereas other neighbours have yappy dogs, loud gatherings, loud car exhausts and as far as I know (but then again how would I know) they don’t fall foul of this woman. I’ve asked another neighbour if there are any issues in terms of dementia or anything that could be causing this, and this other neighbour said she’s harmless and just doesn’t like going out. For whatever reason she clearly just doesn’t like us. We’ve lived here almost 10 years and they were there before us. It might not be relevant but we are mortgaged and they are social housing, it’s quite a mix of the 2 along both sides of the road.

She’s done the gestures when we’ve been getting in the car before and I’ve called out ‘no thank you’ (I know, it’s all I could think of at the time!) and told her if she continues to threaten or intimidate my children I will call the police.

The thing is I just don’t feel it is a police matter? In the last lockdown she came to our door while I was working, and she asked DH to keep the children from annoying her (to my knowledge they don’t do anything and we’ve had serious words with them not to aggravate the situation). He said he would stop them from playing at the window on the condition that she has to stop what she’s doing. When I got home, I disagreed with this - I don’t want to restrict what mine can / can’t do in their rooms as genuinely they’re just kids playing. They’re not overly noisy, they can be silly but within reason - I get them to separate or calm down if things get too silly. But she’s over the road and wouldn’t really hear it anyway.

They ignore her when she does the gesturing. The FLO at the kids’ primary school raised it with me before as one of them had mentioned it to her and I told her how it is and that there’s no actual threat and we’re monitoring it. But obviously it is bothering them at some level if they’re mentioning it at school.

The gesturing is regular - it’s as though she’s watching and waiting for them to be at their windows. Our house is an odd layout and 3 of our bedrooms face towards the front, the lounge etc face towards the back so really we as adults don’t see out front much because I would mostly be in the lounge, kitchen or my own bedroom.

I just don’t know where to go from here - I thought about writing a letter but I’m just really concerned about creating a much bigger situation. I’m not confrontational and hate the idea of going over there to speak with them. I realise this doesn’t leave many options, of course I would do the letter or go over if I had to. I don’t really want to restrict where the children play, or make them have their curtains closed. Obviously if I ever see her wave a knife at them I will call the police, but all I’ve ever seen myself is the fist waving and finger twirling.

I’d really appreciate any advice. Sorry for the length of the post, I was hoping to avoid any drip feeding!

OP posts:
Fuckitydoodah · 19/08/2022 11:02

I'd put some shutters/blinds/voiles up at the bedroom window. The kind you can still see out but she wouldn't be able to see in. Then I would just ignore her completely, no engagement whatsoever. She obviously has issues and there's probably no point trying to understand why she does it.

Georgeskitchen · 19/08/2022 11:03

Could you put some of that film on the windows which prevents people looking in but can Still look out? If she can't see them she might stop the gesturing. Don't restrict your children playing because of a batshit neighbour

lisavanderpumpscloset · 19/08/2022 11:13

Doesn't sound like you or your kids are doing anything wrong here, the issue is coming from over the road.

I'd do what's been suggested above. Make it so she can't see into your kids rooms but so they can continue to see out. Your kids shouldn't suffer because of this mad woman.

Hobele · 19/08/2022 11:23

Reflective film on windows.

ZekeZeke · 19/08/2022 11:57

Are you sure your kids aren't gesturing to her?

What did she say when you told her if she continues to threaten or intimidate my children I will call the police

Caken · 19/08/2022 12:14

I can’t be 100% sure they don’t in their rooms when I’m not in there, but this morning she was doing it and I was in 11yo’s room changing the bedding and there was definitely nothing from us. 11yo just said ‘the old lady is doing it again’ - the only thing that could have been seen by her is DD watching me shake the duvet into its cover. Likewise when we’ve been getting in the car I can guarantee nothing has been done by us.

I trust mine not to be knobs most of the time but I’m sure they could do it to her and not tell me. I have no doubt at some point they are likely have done something, but for the most part they don’t and I absolutely wouldn’t condone or encourage it.

re. the time I said I’d call the police, she did nothing, went back into her house like she does and it didn’t trigger any contact or any escalation and didn’t stop it.

The weird thing is the relatives she lives with pay us no attention at all but equally don’t stop her or act on her behalf to apologise or explain, or have a go at us on her behalf if mine have ever done anything.

I think window coverings are the best bet, it’s just frustrating to have to make changes that we don’t really want over something seemingly so silly. I don’t want our windows to look like 2 way police mirrors but it is what it is Grin

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5zeds · 19/08/2022 12:48

Video it. Put up film. Ignore her.

ZekeZeke · 19/08/2022 12:56

Cold weather will be here soon enough, she won't be in her garden.
She sounds off her rocker.
Suggest you put cameras up, even fake ones which may deter her.

latetothefisting · 19/08/2022 13:06

I think you and your partner need to wo/man up a bit and go over there and speak to her/her relatives. No need to shout or be aggressive but just say what you've said here, that you've witnessed it yourself repeatedly without any provocation by your kids, they are clearly affected by it as they are mentioning it at school and even if she doesn't mean it to be confrontational or aggressive that is the way it is coming across so she needs to stop, and if she doesn't you will take further action.

If she continues, while i would agree with videoing it as I think the knife issue is the main one- you really need to establish if she is doing that as it clearly can be seen as a threat and I think that will warrant a police/social services visit. I believe there might be gdpr issues with aiming a camera directly at someone's home though - although tbh I don't know how anyone would prove it if you used a small enough camera she couldn't see - if you used it as evidence you could just cut the footage and say you filmed it on your phone as soon as she started.

While I appreciate you don't want to involve police unnecessarily and sometimes mn is way too quick to suggest it, having worked with the police, as long as you made it clear you didn't expect them to take emergency action this is actually a completely fine use of their resources - it would be tasked to the neighbourhood team to go round and have a chat "as and when" - there are lots of low level actions they do when they actually have capacity.

RichardOsmansXraySpecs · 19/08/2022 14:02

Do you think she could just be mucking about with the DC (albeit misguidedly) like you'd poke your tongue out at a DC on a bus or something, just to make the DC laugh?

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