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More help coming from Government in Oct and next year

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Willowthewispy · 12/08/2022 12:01

Just read that there are plans in place to help people financially at the end of this year and the start of next year. Sorry I can't get the link to paste onto this it was on Sky news.

I've seen a lot of worried people on here myself included so posting in the hope it helps.

I wonder what financial help they will roll out. Call me mad but for some reason especially if Sunak gets the PM job, I think they might bring back a fourlough type plan for staff, grant's for businesses and grants for each household. The figure of 10 billion in help is swishing around.

What do you guys think?

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Ylvamoon · 12/08/2022 12:06

I just hope it isn't just for the very poor- liked to benefits- or some sort of tax thing where you get a % of something which will obviously benefit the higher earners more .... leaving the middle once again squeezed dry!

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Willowthewispy · 12/08/2022 12:09

That's what I am thinking @Ylvamoon how will they work it so it's fair for everyone.

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Myusername2015 · 12/08/2022 12:10

No way in hell will furlough return…whatever it is will be a drop in the ocean designed to make the new PM look generous but in reality do very little. It angers me so much that we are meant to be gratefully waiting for a crumb of support with such a potentially difficult winter ahead for so many. I suspect the package will be an extension of the £66 pm directly off energy bills…perhaps a larger amount deducted for means tested benefits claimants.

Jalisco · 12/08/2022 12:14

I'm going to call you mad.

Why on earth would you re-introduce furloughs? There are no grounds for employers to furlough employees.

And grants for everyone?

Where do you think an additional £10billion is going to come from? The country is already in the worst possible amount of debt. At the end of last year the UK National debt amounted to £2.59 trillion and was increasing at over £5,000 per second. This level of the national debt in the UK equates to 108% of national output (GDP). That is simply not a sustainable position. So that money is going to have to come from us.

The pandemic couldn't have possibly been planned for in terms of cost and debt, but economists have been warning that there is no "fat" to cut for over a decade. Unless you are genuinely in the wealthy bracket (and I don't mean just earning a very good wage) then everyone is under the cosh now, and increasingly they cannot sustain money being taken from them to support the poorer in society. Everyone is hurting, and whilst you may have little sympathy for high wage earners, they also have high costs alongside that. Meanwhile, few of them will be voting Tory at the next election if it cuts into their lifestyle.

Any short term measures now might seem a godsend (and I doubt they will be for everyone) but we will pay dearly in the medium and longer term. It isn't just people who have to pay bills - countries have to pay them too, and servicing our debt is not optional.

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Willowthewispy · 12/08/2022 12:15

My dh thinks the same as you @Myusername2015 he thinks it will only be a add on to the direct payment to energy bills. Maybe I have lost the plot and I honestly don't know why I have any hope in them but I think they will come out with bold plans. But if they did would that not push us further into the shit?

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Willowthewispy · 12/08/2022 12:19

@Jalisco yeah I don't blame you maybe because I can't believe they would let things get so bad. I totally agree with you about the money side of things and there is no great way out of this.

I meant a furlough type scheme to stop mass unemployment and to help businesses stay open.

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Crikeyalmighty · 12/08/2022 12:38

My personal view is they should give every family registered for council tax £1500 in vouchers to be redeemed against fuel, childcare,utilities or supermarkets - (disallowing alcohol and cigarettes) - and used within 12 months- they should also bring maximum rrp in for fuel tethered to actual purchasing cost and monitored and remove VAT off utilities.

The voucher thing would cost around 39bn - covered off by a windfall tax, If people had a bit more in their pockets it would benefit 'all' business- help poor families a great deal and take the pressure off middle income families for a good while.

I don't believe on focussing it only on low paid or not working at all as they can sometimes end up being better off than those in the lower middle income bracket who can claim bugger all.

Jalisco · 12/08/2022 12:44

Willowthewispy · 12/08/2022 12:19

@Jalisco yeah I don't blame you maybe because I can't believe they would let things get so bad. I totally agree with you about the money side of things and there is no great way out of this.

I meant a furlough type scheme to stop mass unemployment and to help businesses stay open.

In the Tory book of economics, mass unemployment is a good thing. It drives down wages and conditions, and is divisive because you can blame the "scroungers" for everything. "Conservative" economics (with a c or a C) is actually about global success / wealth for the minority, and the (global) majority are just cannon fodder. In the end, that is the only place their loyalty lies - not with people or populations, creed, colour or nations. If you doubt that take a good long look at Rishi Sunak and family. Wealth - extreme wealth - for themselves, is the only thing that matters to them. And those who subscribe to such things just hope that, if they can't get up there amongst them, then they can at least benefit by hanging on to their coattails.

CravenRaven · 12/08/2022 12:48

Sorry OP but I think that article is a load of vague waffle from Johnson. I don't suppose it represents the truth any more than talk from him usually does.

ArtOfTheImpossible · 12/08/2022 12:48

Not holding my breath. Bet it will be targeted to those already on loads of benefits. I'm a single mum working full time, no benefits. I'll believe it when I see it!

MsPincher · 12/08/2022 12:48

Willowthewispy · 12/08/2022 12:19

@Jalisco yeah I don't blame you maybe because I can't believe they would let things get so bad. I totally agree with you about the money side of things and there is no great way out of this.

I meant a furlough type scheme to stop mass unemployment and to help businesses stay open.

Why would there be mass unemployment though? At the moment we are struggling to get people to fill jobs in pretty much every sector. Why wouldn’t businesses stay open without furlough? They need people to work not to be paid not to work.

im afraid that makes no sense at all op.

MsPincher · 12/08/2022 12:50

The issue at the moment is inflation. Furlough and random grants to businesses will make that worse.

HailAdrian · 12/08/2022 13:03

ArtOfTheImpossible · 12/08/2022 12:48

Not holding my breath. Bet it will be targeted to those already on loads of benefits. I'm a single mum working full time, no benefits. I'll believe it when I see it!

Well, if someone is on 'loads of benefits' they need help more than you do. You sound so bitter.

CravenRaven · 12/08/2022 13:11

I don't think they sound bitter. I think they sound worried and not very hopeful of any help to carry the financial burden for their family.

I think many, many people are scared.

Ylvamoon · 12/08/2022 13:12

@HailAdrian I don't think ArtOfTheImpossible is bitter.
The reality is that thouse who struggle finacially but don't get benefits are actually worse off. they usually fall under the radar for any type of help from the government as tax cuts will be minimal and benefits don't apply. Also known as the squeezed middle.

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Willowthewispy · 12/08/2022 13:26

@Crikeyalmighty that is an interesting idea. How long would £1500 last people though maybe one month at best.

@MsPincher I suppose my thinking is if the Government helped pay staff wages then this would free up money within the business for them to pay the ever increasing bills.

@CravenRaven people are scared myself included maybe thats why I am clinging (probably foolishly) onto hope.

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Watermelonsugarhighlove · 12/08/2022 13:31

Ylvamoon · 12/08/2022 12:06

I just hope it isn't just for the very poor- liked to benefits- or some sort of tax thing where you get a % of something which will obviously benefit the higher earners more .... leaving the middle once again squeezed dry!

Exactly this 100%

Jalisco · 12/08/2022 13:49

HailAdrian · 12/08/2022 13:03

Well, if someone is on 'loads of benefits' they need help more than you do. You sound so bitter.

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So could you provide a list of the people who don't need "help"? Those who aren't going to find it harder? And, more to the point, who are going to be the ones paying for it?

I don't think anyone would claim that people on benefits will struggle. So will many people who aren't on benefits, and are not only having to pay for their own increased costs, but also paying for the increased costs to benefits.

The government are not the "bank of mum and dad". There is no never-ending supply of money. It isn't about who deserves what. Its about how it's paid for.

Jalisco · 12/08/2022 13:49

Won't struggle, not will!

HailAdrian · 12/08/2022 13:55

The government are not the "bank of mum and dad". There is no never-ending supply of money. It isn't about who deserves what. Its about how it's paid for.

This has nothing to do with what I said? If you're working full time and not entitled to benefits, your income is deemed high enough to live on. If you're working full time and entitled to benefits, you're on a shit wage, obviously. Most people would choose a higher income over having to claim just enough 'benefits' to ensure they can eat. These aren't people who have been able to save for a rainy day either.

Humphriescushion · 12/08/2022 15:26

CravenRaven · 12/08/2022 12:48

Sorry OP but I think that article is a load of vague waffle from Johnson. I don't suppose it represents the truth any more than talk from him usually does.

This!

Discrimination1234 · 12/08/2022 15:47

Has anyone already had money from the government? I’ve not had a penny!

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